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Frans Waterlander

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Ad hominem definition
« on: September 11, 2020, 03:43:02 pm »

Straight out of Merriam-Webster. Definition of ad hominem:
1: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
2: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

To me that's a perfect description of what went on in a recently closed thread and many, many before that one.
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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2020, 04:03:47 pm »

Glutton for Punishment definition:
The posting agenda that can be seen here and in other photo forums, the list is sadly massively long but so consistent: Ask a question of the group, then immediately dismissed and push back on anything said that doesn't sync with the predetermined desired answer (notice the question marks!) To me that's a perfect description of what went on in a recently closed thread and many, many before that one:

Flicker, eyestrain or headache when using a monitor with LED backlighting?
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/flicker-eyestrain-or-headache-when-using-a-monitor-with-led-backlighting.484239/#post-5124157

AND:

How do you like your 23" NEC P232W-BK-SV with LED backlighting?
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/how-do-you-like-your-23-nec-p232w-bk-sv-with-led-backlighting.483939/#post-5126524

AND:

Three different color calculators can't be wrong, can they?
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/three-different-color-calculators-cant-be-wrong-can-they.483168/

Do SoLux bulbs meet color temp specs?
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/do-solux-bulbs-meet-color-temp-specs.482331/#post-5072451

And (push back) again:

NEC SpectraView update doesn't work
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/nec-spectraview-update-doesnt-work.507616/#post-5448082

NEC PA242W with SpectraView problems
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/nec-pa242w-with-spectraview-problems.501605/#post-5337077

NEC P242W with SpectraView weird flicker On this forum
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=102486.msg840773#msg840773

Epson R2880 suddenly prints with reddish color cast
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=124550.msg1042516#msg1042516

And:
Photoshop Elements 2018 doesn't report Exposure Compensation
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/photoshop-elements-2018-doesnt-report-exposure-compensation.5511047/

And:
How to backup Elements 2018 Camera RAW Database in Windows 7?
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/how-to-backup-elements-2018-camera-raw-database-in-windows-7.5511347/

And:
ACR Histogram misunderstanding
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=134533.msg1162239#msg1162239

And (thankfully I missed this slug fest of Frans):
In-camera RAW histograms
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/in-camera-raw-histograms.5518557/

And:
Elements print bug
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/bug-in-photoshop-elements.5519898/#post-5821352

We can now add to that long list, nonsense about sensors overheating and being an issue in 10 pages of back and forth that resulted in it all getting deleted here but contained on poor PhotoNet:

https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/are-dslrs-doomed-tony-northrup-says-no.5515216/

And a year later, more sensor heat nonsense on LuLa:
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=134951.msg1171465#msg1171465https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=134951.msg1171465#msg1171465

The answer to the original question asked by James, in the post locked, (as this one should be too): What's your problem? As shown above, lots and lots of problems. Mostly accepting multiple answers from those in the know, answering the questions becomes the real problem.

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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2020, 04:42:09 pm »

What a sad place this has become.

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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2020, 08:29:26 pm »

Whoa, someone can really hold a grudge, and/or seems on a rampage of targeted destruction!   

Andrew, do you keep a diary of Frans's comments by your bedside, reading them every night, just dreaming of how you will refute them? 
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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2020, 09:07:58 pm »

Whoa, someone can really hold a grudge, and/or seems on a rampage of targeted destruction!   
Jewish Alzheimer's is forgetting everything except a grudge.-Maureen Lipman
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Andrew, do you keep a diary of Frans's comments by your bedside, reading them every night, just dreaming of how you will refute them?
I have a list and now you can too, bound to keep growing.  :D
Easy to refute as illustrated if you read the posting agenda and history; I'm hardly the only one doing so.
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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2020, 09:10:35 pm »

Jewish Alzheimer's is forgetting everything except a grudge.-Maureen Lipman

Thanks for the quote; I'll will certainly remember that one! 

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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2020, 03:05:30 am »

Straight out of Merriam-Webster. Definition of ad hominem:
1: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
2: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

I don't have access to a copy of Merriam-Webster, so I can't tell how selectively you are quoting or under what heading the quotation appears. You appear to confuse argumentum ad hominem with simple abuse. The two are not the same.

See https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=135408.msg1177003#msg1177003.

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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2020, 09:16:01 am »

You appear to confuse argumentum ad hominem with simple abuse. The two are not the same.

See https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=135408.msg1177003#msg1177003.

Jeremy
And the push back to that correction? Wait for it, wait for it....  :D
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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2020, 09:47:14 am »

In addition to avoiding argumentum ad hominem, this forum could do with a bit less argumentum ad nauseam.

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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2020, 10:07:10 am »

In addition to avoiding argumentum ad hominem, this forum could do with a bit less argumentum ad nauseam.
Amen!
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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2020, 12:21:36 pm »

In addition to avoiding argumentum ad hominem, this forum could do with a bit less argumentum ad nauseam.

There's not a 'smiley' large enough ...
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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2020, 02:38:43 pm »

In addition to avoiding argumentum ad hominem, this forum could do with a bit less argumentum ad nauseam.

And the chances of that happening are?

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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2020, 02:59:54 pm »

I don't have access to a copy of Merriam-Webster, so I can't tell how selectively you are quoting or under what heading the quotation appears. You appear to confuse argumentum ad hominem with simple abuse. The two are not the same.

See https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=135408.msg1177003#msg1177003.

Jeremy
Suggesting that I'm quoting selectively might be a good example of ad hominem. Anyway, Merriam-Webster and other dictionaries are available on-line for free for anyone to use. Here are some examples:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ad%20hominem
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/ad+hominem
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ad_hominem
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem
https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=en&tl=en&text=ad%20hominem
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/ad-hominem
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/ad-hominem
https://literarydevices.net/ad-hominem/
https://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Ad-Hominem.html
Do I need to add more?
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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2020, 03:13:14 pm »

And the chances of that happening are?

See the post immediately following yours.

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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2020, 03:19:01 pm »

The good thing about a digital dog is that they don't bark repeatedly and incessantly at squirrels.
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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2020, 03:30:04 pm »

The good thing about a digital dog is that they don't bark repeatedly and incessantly at squirrels.
True, but they incessantly repeat themselves.
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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2020, 03:51:15 pm »

The provision of facts often bounce off their intended target, prompting repetition until it's too tiresome or all hope is lost.
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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2020, 03:55:13 pm »

Do I need to add more?
You didn't in the first place but as predicted, you had to.
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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2020, 04:04:43 pm »

You didn't in the first place but as predicted, you had to.
Yet another perfect example of ad hominem.
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Re: Ad hominem definition
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2020, 04:27:26 pm »

I wonder if anyone has ever found a rational and well founded prediction among the definitions of ad hominem.
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