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Live stream internet strength - Beach wedding
« on: July 29, 2020, 05:01:25 pm »

One of my clients want me to provide live feed of the wedding ceremony they are going to have on the beach.
I would like to use my 5d mark iv to record and provide the feed into OBS Studio software. I am planning to use my mobile internet on my phone. I would like to set up my phone as hot spot and connect my notebook to my phone.

- My question is how to make sure I have strong internet to support the upstream data??? I don't have mobile wifi?  The location is 2 hours away from my home. I can go and test the speed but I would rather not to.
What do you do when you live stream an event? How do you make sure you have a strong signal?

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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2020, 02:16:55 am »

Have you already checked with your telecom provider? Some provide maps showing their connectivity rates (at least here in Austria).

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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2020, 03:12:50 pm »

I did! They show strong signal which is not 100% accurate. It shows strong signal for my house and in fact signal is kind of ok....

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2020, 11:41:30 pm »

You'll burn a lot of mobile data - you may want to upgrade to an unlimited hotspot plan.  Android or iPhone? Mac or PC?

Are you looking at doing a Youtube live, Facebook live or some sort of Zoom/Teams/etc so the remote folks can interact?

You may need to record internally at 4K, while streaming 1080p.
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2020, 02:43:01 pm »

You'll burn a lot of mobile data - you may want to upgrade to an unlimited hotspot plan.  Android or iPhone? Mac or PC?

Are you looking at doing a Youtube live, Facebook live or some sort of Zoom/Teams/etc so the remote folks can interact?

You may need to record internally at 4K, while streaming 1080p.

This will be a wedding.
Youtube live streaming. Android. I am afraid that the upstream on the mobile phone is not enough to support youtube live stream. Anybody has any experience?
Because of Covid, more and more people would like to provide family and friends with an online experience "as if they were at the wedding"....
From out perspective it creates challenges and opportunities...

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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2020, 12:32:51 pm »

Yep, lots of streamed events now.  If you're relying on it for the wedding, you really should go see what the signal is like with the phone you'll be using.  You may get lucky and find a wifi you can work out an arrangement with.  Otherwise, you may need to work with the B&G about having other guests not use their phones during the ceremony to minimize competition for cell bandwidth.

The absolute easiest & least likely to fail on you is to have an Android phone clamped over your Canon camera & use the builtin app for streaming. The app is better in that it is aware of the cell service level & can drop quality to maintain frame rate.   If/when there's an issue with the stream, it is isolated from your video.  If you shoot with a longer lens, add something like https://www.shopmoment.com/lenses

The reason I mention one of the video conferencing apps is that it allows folks to be seen or at least captured.  You may be showing the B&G, but the B&G may want to see their 'guests'.  You can capture the wedding and later show the B&G everyone else.  Plus it allows for the remote guests to interact before & after the ceremony.  Plus adding additional camera angles is adding another participant to the meeting.

There are more involved solutions and things that 'can' be done for additional cost, but focus on what you know you can do really well and just run with it.
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2020, 04:38:04 pm »

I am going to shoot a wedding. There will be activities where there will be no wifi.

Question: how can i provide myself reliable high speed wifi for broadcasting the wedding via youtube?

I usually use OBS installed on my laptop and feed video from my Canon camera into my laptop. I feed sound through wireless microphone into the laptop. OBS does the rest.

I would like to use a DSLR or mirrorless mounted on the top of a monopod or tripod. I would like to move it around as people move around.

Any advice? How should I do it?

Thanks so much!

This setup may work well for when you have wifi in a venue, but on a beach, this is just asking for trouble.  How big is your team for this event?  Is this your primary task, or are you doing stills or video and the streaming is just an add-on?

Make the trip out and see what your carrier signal strength is like, drag a friend or two along who have other carriers and compare internet speeds - use something like speedtest.net & maybe half believe what speed you get.  4-6mbps should be fine for a medium quality stream.

Hotspot devices are pretty straight forward, but they're limited on what cell signals they can connect to.  Are you going to move the laptop around with a mini cage that has the camera, mic, etc all in it?  What if there's an issue with the stream, are you really going to reboot the camera mid-ceremony?  Are you operating this camera, or will someone else be baby sitting it while you're shooting other stuff?
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2020, 09:58:20 am »

This setup may work well for when you have wifi in a venue, but on a beach, this is just asking for trouble.  How big is your team for this event?  Is this your primary task, or are you doing stills or video and the streaming is just an add-on?

Make the trip out and see what your carrier signal strength is like, drag a friend or two along who have other carriers and compare internet speeds - use something like speedtest.net & maybe half believe what speed you get.  4-6mbps should be fine for a medium quality stream.

Hotspot devices are pretty straight forward, but they're limited on what cell signals they can connect to.  Are you going to move the laptop around with a mini cage that has the camera, mic, etc all in it?  What if there's an issue with the stream, are you really going to reboot the camera mid-ceremony?  Are you operating this camera, or will someone else be baby sitting it while you're shooting other stuff?

This will be an add-on.
I think going there and test it is the best option.
4-6mb should make it possible. It is good to know.
I guess I need somebody to be with the camera.
I thought this would be easier to do.
So I have either cable wifi or network hotspot. The only way I find out whether the network is strong enough is to test.
Thanks so much!

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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2020, 10:01:19 am »

Yep, lots of streamed events now.  If you're relying on it for the wedding, you really should go see what the signal is like with the phone you'll be using.  You may get lucky and find a wifi you can work out an arrangement with.  Otherwise, you may need to work with the B&G about having other guests not use their phones during the ceremony to minimize competition for cell bandwidth.

The absolute easiest & least likely to fail on you is to have an Android phone clamped over your Canon camera & use the builtin app for streaming. The app is better in that it is aware of the cell service level & can drop quality to maintain frame rate.   If/when there's an issue with the stream, it is isolated from your video.  If you shoot with a longer lens, add something like https://www.shopmoment.com/lenses

The reason I mention one of the video conferencing apps is that it allows folks to be seen or at least captured.  You may be showing the B&G, but the B&G may want to see their 'guests'.  You can capture the wedding and later show the B&G everyone else.  Plus it allows for the remote guests to interact before & after the ceremony.  Plus adding additional camera angles is adding another participant to the meeting.

There are more involved solutions and things that 'can' be done for additional cost, but focus on what you know you can do really well and just run with it.

Excellent idea! Thanks! Do you know an android app I can stream my Canon 5d mark iv or Sony a7r III signal and audio with?

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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2020, 02:19:32 am »

Excellent idea! Thanks! Do you know an android app I can stream my Canon 5d mark iv or Sony a7r III signal and audio with?


Such an app doesn't exist - the idea of streaming from a phone would be with the Youtube app & the builtin camera(s).

If you want to make a business out of this, check out https://www.liveu.tv/ as its https://gosolo.tv/ may be everything you're looking for - HDMI in to IP streaming services like YouTube Live via a builtin bonded (2x) cellular connection.  http://midtownvideo.com is a dealer for them.
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2020, 12:08:53 pm »

I tried to do this last weekend. The signal didn't support upstream at all. I had one of the fastest data plan in the USA. It may work for some but didn't work for me. WiFi signal was able to support live stream but not the phone data plan.
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