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Jeremy Roussak

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« Reply #80 on: May 10, 2020, 03:23:56 am »

It must be also mentioned that beer is healthier than milk.

What utter drivel.

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« Reply #81 on: May 10, 2020, 11:21:08 am »

What utter drivel.

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Of course beer is better than milk.  Ask any alcoholic. 

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« Reply #82 on: May 10, 2020, 11:47:24 am »

Of course beer is better than milk.  Ask any alcoholic.

It really depends on the consumed amount.
Half the doctors will recommend the former and the other half the latter. In other words, half the patients will die prematurely.

By the way, why do they have more C19 deaths in Spain and Italy than in northern states? Because they are more health conscious and drink more wine or cook with more olive oil?
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« Reply #83 on: May 10, 2020, 11:59:34 am »

It really depends on the consumed amount.
Half the doctors will recommend the former and the other half the latter. In other words, half the patients will die prematurely.

By the way, why do they have more C19 deaths in Spain and Italy than in northern states? Because they are more health conscious and drink more wine or cook with more olive oil?
Did you ever see a German kiss their friend publicly?  :)

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« Reply #84 on: May 10, 2020, 12:02:40 pm »

It seems that our New Jersey town is now having it's second low period in cases; the last around April 17th .  Yesterday there were 6 cases, 5 in assisted living homes and 1 in the general population.

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« Reply #85 on: May 10, 2020, 01:49:33 pm »

It seems that our New Jersey town is now having it's second low period in cases; the last around April 17th .  Yesterday there were 6 cases, 5 in assisted living homes and 1 in the general population.

The weekend data is always suspect and catches up on Monday / Tuesday.
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« Reply #86 on: May 10, 2020, 03:13:51 pm »

The weekend data is always suspect and catches up on Monday / Tuesday.
But the trend seems downwards regardless if you take off the spikes. Of course most people are still hiding out.  It's going to be interesting once they come out again.  The NJ governor extended the shutdown for another 30 days.  Is he just putting off the inevitable?  I can't get Sweden out of my head.

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« Reply #87 on: May 13, 2020, 10:36:02 am »

There is a recent NPR Fresh Air podcast interview with Nelson D. Schwartz, author of The Velvet Rope (https://www.npr.org/books/titles/833042780/the-velvet-rope-economy-how-inequality-became-big-business). The book is about all the special perks that the "super"-wealthy can purchase for themselves these days, and they talk about numerous interesting examples, but the one relevant to this thread is the availability of what the author calls "concierge" medical services. If you can afford it, you pay someone a retainer and you can be on a priority list for tests, appointments, etc. The podcast is about an hour long, it was interesting to hear what you can buy if you have the money.

Regarding "concierge" medical care, my wife and both have it thru Duke. It costs $2500/year. That cost is hardly limited to the "super wealthy." Of course many folks can't afford it, but that's true of many things in this life. I don't expect society to provide concierge care to everyone, but everyone should have decent and competent care. And if that takes single-payer or Medicare for All, so be it.
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« Reply #88 on: May 13, 2020, 11:43:14 am »

Regarding "concierge" medical care, my wife and both have it thru Duke. It costs $2500/year. That cost is hardly limited to the "super wealthy." Of course many folks can't afford it, but that's true of many things in this life. I don't expect society to provide concierge care to everyone, but everyone should have decent and competent care. And if that takes single-payer or Medicare for All, so be it.

I was repeating what the interviewee said, but I don't really understand what that concierge service might be. If you go see a GP for some ailment that needs further work by more specialized people, doesn't your GP just refer you?  What exactly is the value-added of a concierge?

In the case of the uber-rich from the story, if I remember right, it's that by paying the money one could bypass the usual queue and be seen by someone more quickly, and also, in the rich patient case, have a stable of specialists all over the country to choose from. I hope I'm remembering the program accurately.

This implies to me that the better the concierge (bigger the kickback to the doctor that is) then the higher chances of avoiding the queue. Is this system transparent? Do you know beforehand that a $2500 per year concierge can get you in within a week but a $5000 per year concierge can get you in the next day? I am asking that cynically because I can easily see something like that happening, but I'm also serious in wondering how it is all managed. If your appointment is postponed, are you told it's because the doctor got a better offer?
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« Reply #89 on: May 13, 2020, 11:51:53 am »

BTW, does anybody know about the stem cell therapy for hips and knees as an alternative to surgeries? Apparently, this treatment has been used for a while in USA, but not in many other countries.
Since it is a non-invasive procedure and simpler than the orthopedic surgery, such an option could drastically reduce the backlog for the postponed surgeries due to Covid-19 hospital lockdowns.
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« Reply #90 on: May 13, 2020, 01:03:21 pm »

I was repeating what the interviewee said, but I don't really understand what that concierge service might be. If you go see a GP for some ailment that needs further work by more specialized people, doesn't your GP just refer you?  What exactly is the value-added of a concierge?

In the case of the uber-rich from the story, if I remember right, it's that by paying the money one could bypass the usual queue and be seen by someone more quickly, and also, in the rich patient case, have a stable of specialists all over the country to choose from. I hope I'm remembering the program accurately.

This implies to me that the better the concierge (bigger the kickback to the doctor that is) then the higher chances of avoiding the queue. Is this system transparent? Do you know beforehand that a $2500 per year concierge can get you in within a week but a $5000 per year concierge can get you in the next day? I am asking that cynically because I can easily see something like that happening, but I'm also serious in wondering how it is all managed. If your appointment is postponed, are you told it's because the doctor got a better offer?

I am somewhat familiar with a concierge medical service. The basic cost (subscription) is $6,000 a year, plus there is a charge per appointment, depending on what is done. (I think they do take insurance and Medicare.) I don't know how many people are enrolled in the service, but I would imagine it's a few hundred -- the doctors (there are two of them) have a limit on how many people they see. They also employ a nurse practitioner who can take care of a lot of routine stuff like shots. If you are actually ill, you can get in same-day, never a problem. If you need routine care, always the same week, often same-day or next-day. Things like physical exams are scheduled. If you need specialist care, you're referred -- but specialists (outside those who operate within a larger clinic or hospital) really operate a kind of concierge service as well. If you're referred, you can usually get in within a couple of days.

I have a friend who subscribes, and he has suggested that I join, and I'm thinking about it. I currently go to a clinic, where I like the doc and his employees, but the waiting room drives me crazy -- I'm old, and the waiting room is always full of school kids with every disease imaginable, plus a lot of sneezing adults. I'm sort of afraid to sit down, and I'd never pick up one of the magazines. Waits can be an hour or more past your appointment time. I'm healthy, hardly ever go to a doctor, but I wanted to resume scuba diving last year, after a long layoff, and I couldn't take the refresher course without getting a doctor's permission. To get that (what amounted to an interview and light physical exam) I had to wait more than a month, because I had no really urgent medical problem.

One of the problems with Medicare is that it drives down prices to save money, but that means that a lot of the clinics are shabby, over-crowded, etc. I also suspect (and I may be totally wrong) that the most qualified docs go into specialties, and the family-style doctors are possibly not the sharpest knives in the dishwasher. My doc is almost as old as I am, and came from old style medicine, where the doctors made a lot of money and things were less pressured. No longer the case. The fact is, we're well into baby-boom old age, and the medical facilities are jammed up with Medicare patients (like me.)

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« Reply #91 on: May 13, 2020, 01:24:36 pm »

Medicare is saving money on all those old people accidents.

New York City breaks record: 58 straight days with no pedestrian deaths
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/gix1oa/new_york_city_breaks_record_58_straight_days_with/

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« Reply #92 on: May 13, 2020, 01:25:40 pm »

I am somewhat familiar with a concierge medical service. The basic cost (subscription) is $6,000 a year, plus there is a charge per appointment, depending on what is done. (I think they do take insurance and Medicare.)
Medicare does not cover the concierge fee but can cover office visits, lab fees, etc.  When I last looked at this in our area, the yearly fee was $3000.  My long time internist was switching over to this type of practice and I decided to leave.  We have several friends who are in these practices and they like it.

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One of the problems with Medicare is that it drives down prices to save money, but that means that a lot of the clinics are shabby, over-crowded, etc. I also suspect (and I may be totally wrong) that the most qualified docs go into specialties, and the family-style doctors are possibly not the sharpest knives in the dishwasher. My doc is almost as old as I am, and came from old style medicine, where the doctors made a lot of money and things were less pressured. No longer the case. The fact is, we're well into baby-boom old age, and the medical facilities are jammed up with Medicare patients (like me.)
It depends on where you live.  All of the doctors I have had over the years have exceptional training.  At one point, five of them had done research fellowships here at NIH and decided that medical research was not their cup of tea and went into private practice.  It's the same with waiting times and facilities.  The big issue here is Johns Hopkins has bought two of the bigger hospitals and established physician practices.  The restrict which doctors have privileges at the hospital.  This is not unique as Sutter is doing the same thing in Northern California.
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« Reply #93 on: May 13, 2020, 03:28:06 pm »

Medicare does not cover the concierge fee but can cover office visits, lab fees, etc.  When I last looked at this in our area, the yearly fee was $3000.  My long time internist was switching over to this type of practice and I decided to leave.  We have several friends who are in these practices and they like it.
It depends on where you live.  All of the doctors I have had over the years have exceptional training.  At one point, five of them had done research fellowships here at NIH and decided that medical research was not their cup of tea and went into private practice.  It's the same with waiting times and facilities.  The big issue here is Johns Hopkins has bought two of the bigger hospitals and established physician practices.  The restrict which doctors have privileges at the hospital.  This is not unique as Sutter is doing the same thing in Northern California.
That's common all over where there are a lot of hospitals.  When I moved to NJ from NY, I picked an internist that's affiliated with the larger teaching hospital.  Teaching hospitals tend to be better.  They stay at the new frontiers of medicine and have really top notch specialists. So just in case I need a hospital, my internist can get me in. However, I kept my cardiologist in NYC affiliated with Columbia Presbyterian, one of the top heart hospitals in the country.  It was there I had my heart surgery and was admitted the same day my cardiologist was concerned who then got me the surgeon he wanted. His office is in the hospital one floor away from the heart wing floor.  Otherwise, you're kind of at the mercy of plain luck and could wind up with a crappy doctor at a crappy hospital.   

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« Reply #94 on: May 14, 2020, 11:12:13 am »

I was repeating what the interviewee said, but I don't really understand what that concierge service might be. If you go see a GP for some ailment that needs further work by more specialized people, doesn't your GP just refer you?  What exactly is the value-added of a concierge?


I can relate only my own experience. With concierge care, your PCP will spend as much time with you as needed and not be rushed off in 15 min to the next appointment. When I first signed on, my doc spent a whole hour examining me and talking with me. An hour!! Also I can message or call her at anytime and will get an answer quickly. When I go for appointments I almost never have to wait more than a few minutes. And you get appointments fast.
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« Reply #95 on: May 14, 2020, 12:00:07 pm »

I can relate only my own experience. With concierge care, your PCP will spend as much time with you as needed and not be rushed off in 15 min to the next appointment. When I first signed on, my doc spent a whole hour examining me and talking with me. An hour!! Also I can message or call her at anytime and will get an answer quickly. When I go for appointments I almost never have to wait more than a few minutes. And you get appointments fast.
Peter, Could you get him to get you masks, alcohol, virus tests, and other virus related stuff easier than a regular internist?

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« Reply #96 on: May 14, 2020, 01:49:59 pm »

I can relate only my own experience. With concierge care, your PCP will spend as much time with you as needed and not be rushed off in 15 min to the next appointment. When I first signed on, my doc spent a whole hour examining me and talking with me. An hour!! Also I can message or call her at anytime and will get an answer quickly. When I go for appointments I almost never have to wait more than a few minutes. And you get appointments fast.

I have a great relationship with my doctor. Appointments go on much longer than scheduled as we get into talking hockey which both of us are right into. We have BBQ's with my doctor ( my place and his ) throughout the summer and meet in the local pub for a cool one when the urge hits. I don't pay a dime for his service.
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« Reply #97 on: May 15, 2020, 11:15:48 am »

Peter, Could you get him to get you masks, alcohol, virus tests, and other virus related stuff easier than a regular internist?

FWIW it's a "her." I really don't know the answer to your question because I never asked. The missus made masks for us and some friends, we had enough hand sanitizer on hand, we have no urgent need for tests given our circumstances. I don't know what other virus-related things we might need.
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« Reply #98 on: May 31, 2020, 01:34:19 pm »

But what happens when medical insurance has to start paying out for expected events, like the corona virus. Most people get through the virus without needing hospitalizations,

Insurance underwriters are already removing pandemics from what they cover. Next year you won't be able to buy insurance that gives you protection from loss of income due to a pandemic.

For health insurance, who knows how that will play out. Maybe you won't be able to buy medical insurance if you have refused to be vaccinated.
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