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Robert Roaldi

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Talk on Civil Forfeiture - 20 min
« on: May 03, 2020, 04:25:00 pm »

This is a TED talk on Civil Forfeiture. I had heard of it before but had no idea what a huge source of revenue it was, https://www.ted.com/talks/dick_m_carpenter_ii_how_policing_for_profit_undermines_your_rights. The speaker only mentions US numbers, since he was preparing a class action suit about it, but I wonder how much it is used in those other countries he mentioned. I wonder if any photographers have had their equipment confiscated, the stuff is expensive, easy to carry away...
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Re: Talk on Civil Forfeiture - 20 min
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2020, 12:17:11 pm »

Robert, I'm sorry no on his watching/commenting on this.  I'm not familiar with the practice in countries other than the US, but here, at least, this is the kind of thing that OUGHT to get people up in arms about instead of "having your basic rights violated" when asked to wear a mask at Home Depot.   ::)
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Re: Talk on Civil Forfeiture - 20 min
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2020, 01:38:37 pm »

Well, the bandwidth is being taken up by other things.

I heard about the practice for the first time a year or two ago, and it seemed odd to me that a jurisdiction could simply confiscate money in a car, because it existed, and not because of some other criminal activity. And if I had thought about it much, I would have concluded that if the person was subsequently not charged or acquitted then they would get their money back. So I assumed.

But the examples he gave in the talk about that guy's motel being confiscated or the other story about that kid's parents having their family home taken away instead of arresting the kid at the site of his crime were simply unbelievable. I might have cried bullshit if I'd heard all this in another context, social media or something. These actions are WAY past any confiscatory taxes levied by British monarchs on colonies, I'd say. It's gobsmacking crazy, is what it is. As you say, these are rights violations worth fighting about.
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Re: Talk on Civil Forfeiture - 20 min
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2020, 02:43:13 pm »

Robert, James,

I am fully in agreement with your outrage re civil forfeiture. Being on my pet peeve list for years.

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Re: Talk on Civil Forfeiture - 20 min
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2020, 02:52:49 pm »

Robert, James,

I am fully in agreement with your outrage re civil forfeiture. Being on my pet peeve list for years.

The odd thing is, almost every *individual* I know, left or right - thinks this is unquestionably wrong, and yet, it's not at the top of anyone's mind. 
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Re: Talk on Civil Forfeiture - 20 min
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2020, 04:33:24 pm »

The odd thing is, almost every *individual* I know, left or right - thinks this is unquestionably wrong, and yet, it's not at the top of anyone's mind. 

Because it happens rarely, or we rarely read about it, and it happens mostly to people that are shady anyway, or appear shady. Not that makes it any less wrong. Never heard of anyone in my circle of friends experiencing it, or even talking about it. Then again, I do not move in shady circles either.

Is there money to be made by lawyers who would start a class action suit against municipalities? That might force the change in laws, as I doubt the issue is high on politicians' election-platform list.

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Re: Talk on Civil Forfeiture - 20 min
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2020, 09:32:58 pm »

Because it happens rarely, or we rarely read about it, and it happens mostly to people that are shady anyway, or appear shady. Not that makes it any less wrong. Never heard of anyone in my circle of friends experiencing it, or even talking about it. Then again, I do not move in shady circles either.

Is there money to be made by lawyers who would start a class action suit against municipalities? That might force the change in laws, as I doubt the issue is high on politicians' election-platform list.

The TED speaker is a lawyer who participated in just such a class action against Philadelphia. I hope the settlement put some fear into other jurisdictions but it's ridiculous that it would take a private lawsuit to do that. According to the examples in his talk, at least some of those involved were not at all shady, other than maybe the people on the prosecution side.

This kind of thing could easily lead to tragedy. If a person had never heard of this and was stopped for some traffic infraction, and the officer asked if they had cash, you can easily foresee a situation where the citizen would ask the cop, "Why is that any of your business?". That kind of pushback could cause escalation into other charges. It has happened before.
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Re: Talk on Civil Forfeiture - 20 min
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2020, 01:07:46 pm »

If you think this is bad, look up elder abuse and court appointed guardianship fraud. 

That makes this look like child's play. 
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