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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7240 on: September 16, 2020, 12:04:05 pm »

Donald Trump has claimed Covid-19 will “go away” without a vaccine. In an interview on ABC News on Tuesday, the US president said this would happen because of “herd mentality”. It remains unclear if he meant herd immunity, having repeated the phrase several times.

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Makes me think of lemmings.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7241 on: September 16, 2020, 12:43:09 pm »

It remains unclear if he meant herd immunity, having repeated the phrase several times.

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Clearly he meant “heard immunity,” hence the repetition.  ;)
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7242 on: September 16, 2020, 03:01:55 pm »

Last night on ABC News Town Hall with Trump...

TRUMP: Now there is by the way, a lot of people don’t want to wear masks. There are a lot of people think that masks are not good. And there are a lot of people that as an example you have…

STEPHANOPOULOS: Who are those people?

TRUMP: I’ll tell you who those people are -- waiters.

https://abcnews.go.com/trumps-abc-news-town-hall-full-transcript
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7243 on: September 16, 2020, 03:07:40 pm »

Last night on ABC News Town Hall with Trump...

TRUMP: Now there is by the way, a lot of people don’t want to wear masks. There are a lot of people think that masks are not good. And there are a lot of people that as an example you have…

STEPHANOPOULOS: Who are those people?

TRUMP: I’ll tell you who those people are -- waiters.

https://abcnews.go.com/trumps-abc-news-town-hall-full-transcript

Perhaps that is why you are twice as likely to test positive for COVID if you have eaten in a restaurant recently.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7244 on: September 16, 2020, 03:22:54 pm »


Caputo apologized, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/15/michael-caputo-apology-hhs-staff-415206. So that's ok now. Maybe someone talked to him, pointed to a bus and told him, "It's coming for you this time."

I get it that people want to reward loyal campaigners with cushy jobs, but shouldn't competence play a role. At least a little bit.

Caputo is taking a 60 day medical leave. The medical advisor he hired is leaving HHS.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/16/hhs-spokesman-caputo-to-take-medical-leave-after-reportedly-accusing-cdc-officials-of-plotting-against-trump.html

Hopefully this means the CDC reports will not be re-written by the political hacks until after the election.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7245 on: September 16, 2020, 04:41:17 pm »

Caputo is taking a 60 day medical leave. The medical advisor he hired is leaving HHS.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/16/hhs-spokesman-caputo-to-take-medical-leave-after-reportedly-accusing-cdc-officials-of-plotting-against-trump.html

Hopefully this means the CDC reports will not be re-written by the political hacks until after the election.

What a sh*tshow.
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« Reply #7246 on: September 16, 2020, 05:57:59 pm »

Now, CDC stated that the masks are more effective than the vaccine. CDC has also said that the President always supported wearing masks.

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Dr. Robert Redfield, the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, testified that mask wearing may be a more effective protection against coronavirus than the potential vaccine that the President can't stop hyping.
"I might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against Covid than when I take a Covid vaccine, because the immunogenicity may be 70%. And if I don't get an immune response, the vaccine is not going to protect me. This face mask will," Redfield told lawmakers during public testimony on Wednesday, adding that the American public has not yet embraced the use of masks to a level that could effectively control the outbreak.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/16/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-masks-health-experts/index.html
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7247 on: September 16, 2020, 10:12:12 pm »

Just saw this about Caputo https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/16/how-michael-caputo-shook-up-hhs-416632.

What kind of incompetent dangerous fools politicize health agencies this way? It's repulsive.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7248 on: September 17, 2020, 04:50:46 pm »

Must be Trump's fault.

EUROPE NEWS
‘Very serious situation’ unfolding in Europe, WHO warns, as cases rise dramatically
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/17/coronavirus-latest-europe-jittery-as-cases-rise-and-lockdowns-return.html

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7249 on: September 17, 2020, 06:16:48 pm »

All Europe has 4,324,110 cases (incl. over 1 million cases in Russia). That's still less than almost 7 million cases in USA.

The five countries reporting most cases are Russia (1 079 519), Spain (614 360), France (404 888), United Kingdom (378 219) and Italy (291 442).
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7250 on: September 17, 2020, 06:23:53 pm »

Increasingly, in the middle of a massive pandemic, citizens have to decide who to trust for information to keep themselves safe, the US health service agencies like the NIH and CDC or Trump. In recent weeks, that dilemma has only become worse with less unity in message and advice rather than more.

Yesterday this was on display once again in the differing statements between Trump and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield. This following immediately after the Department of Health and Human Services scandal involving the altering or delaying of information to the public from the department by political appointees.

This is not acceptable in normal times. It's completely inexcusable during a crisis. And yet, excuses will be made by those who are still inexplicably loyal to Trump and who are willing to accept whatever he says or dismiss the falsehoods as unimportant.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/09/16/cdc-director-says-covid-vaccine-likely-wont-be-widely-available-until-next-year

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/16/how-michael-caputo-shook-up-hhs
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7251 on: September 17, 2020, 06:52:52 pm »

Olivia Troye former Homeland Security Adviser to Pence endorsed Joe Biden today

Olivia Troye, who until recently was Homeland Security Adviser to Vice President Pence and his lead staffer on the White House's Coronavirus Task Force, endorsed former Vice President Biden on Thursday and accused President Trump of weak leadership and of dramatically mismanaging the response to the coronavirus crisis. She has worked at multiple federal agencies throughout her career on counterterrorism and intelligence issues, including for the Vice President since 2018. She said that she decided to leave the administration because she felt her work wasn't making a difference thanks to Trump. Prior to her appointment as Homeland Security Adviser to Pence, she served in the Office of Intelligence & Analysis at the Department of Homeland Security as Chief of Strategy, Policy, & Plans.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/17/former-pence-aide-coronvirus-task-force-slams-trump

https://www.youtube.com/AD: Top Pence staffer on Covid-19 speaks out against Trump, endorses Biden
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7252 on: September 18, 2020, 12:51:45 am »

All Europe has 4,324,110 cases (incl. over 1 million cases in Russia). That's still less than almost 7 million cases in USA.

The five countries reporting most cases are Russia (1 079 519), Spain (614 360), France (404 888), United Kingdom (378 219) and Italy (291 442).
America did over 100 million tests, way more than any other country. So the number of cases in itself means little.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-total-tests-for-covid-19?time=2020-02-20..latest

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7253 on: September 18, 2020, 07:45:28 am »

America did over 100 million tests, way more than any other country. So the number of cases in itself means little.

Unlike the >200,000 deaths.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7254 on: September 18, 2020, 01:10:42 pm »

America did over 100 million tests, way more than any other country. So the number of cases in itself means little.


So what?
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7255 on: September 18, 2020, 01:16:43 pm »

So what?
The more tests you do like America has done, the more cases that will be discovered.  I just had a test (negative).  So in countries where they don't test as much, the number of cases might appear lower than they actually are.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7256 on: September 18, 2020, 04:44:41 pm »

The more tests you do like America has done, the more cases that will be discovered.  I just had a test (negative).  So in countries where they don't test as much, the number of cases might appear lower than they actually are.

Again, so what? What you say is true and obvious to a 16 year old. But the fact that other countries with less testing may in reality have higher infection rates than the US is meaningless. It does not change the fact that we have a very high infection rate and that much of this can be laid at the feet of Mr. Jack O' Lantern.*

* Orange on the outside, hollow on the inside, needs to be discarded in November.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7257 on: September 18, 2020, 04:56:42 pm »

The more tests you do like America has done, the more cases that will be discovered.  I just had a test (negative).  So in countries where they don't test as much, the number of cases might appear lower than they actually are.

Every positive result is a small step when it comes to the testing volume, but a giant leap in the eradication of the virus.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7258 on: September 18, 2020, 05:09:53 pm »

Every positive result is a small step when it comes to the testing volume, but a giant leap in the eradication of the virus.

With Trump appointed Michael Caputo now on "medical leave" from his position as spokesman for HHS, the CDC has re-revised its testing recommendations.

"The new language rolls back controversial changes made to the site last month. It once again stresses that anyone who has been in contact with an infected person should be tested for coronavirus."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/health/covid-testing-guidance-update-cdc-bn/index.html

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7259 on: September 18, 2020, 05:39:33 pm »

There is something new and contradictory everyday about the vaccine delivery schedule.  At this point I will believe it when I see it.

Trump says U.S. will manufacture enough coronavirus vaccine doses for every American by April

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/18/trump-says-us-will-manufacture-enough-vaccine-doses-for-every-american-by-april.html

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