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Alan Klein

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7120 on: August 28, 2020, 11:43:02 am »

Where do you get this nonsense?
Where do you get the nonsense about America and Trump?  You realize what you read is mainly fake news. 

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« Reply #7121 on: August 28, 2020, 11:45:08 am »

I guess I had heard about that latest aluminum tariff thing, but didn't it come up a few months earlier too? I've lost track and assumed it was only a tweet, that nothing actually ever happened, as per usual with Trump's pronouncements.

The more I think about it, I now remember wondering at the time what had brought it on, because there was no dispute about anything that I could recall. And why aluminum, did some buddy of his ask for tariff protection for his company? You know, the way capitalists compete for the good of the consumer.

Canadian aluminum is cheaper than American aluminum. Whoever watches the aluminum markets noticed that imports of Canadian aluminum into the United States were increasing. Since American aluminum producers are unable to compete on price, Wilbur Ross over at the Commerce Department (he is the guy that sleeps through meetings) and Larry Kudlow, Trump's economic advisor (and former TV show host) thought a tariff would be a good idea. Trump loves to impose tariffs so it was an easy sell. It is protectionism 101. Even the Wall Street Journal, which is usually pro-Trump said this was a bad idea.

Of course, the result is that Canada is imposing retaliatory tariffs. Canada, like China, is sentient, and therefore knows that retaliatory tariffs should be targeted to products sold by businesses in swing states, so exports by those businesses go down, people lose their jobs,  and they all blame Trump. You can see how this could spiral out of control.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/freeland-aluminum-imports-tariffs-trump-1.5677757

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« Reply #7122 on: August 28, 2020, 11:52:20 am »

Canadian aluminum is cheaper than American aluminum. Whoever watches the aluminum markets noticed that aluminum imports of Canadian into the United States were increasing. Since American producers are unable to compete on price, Wilbur Ross over at the Commerce Department (he is the guy that sleeps through meetings) and Larry Kudlow, Trump's economic advisor (and former TV show host) thought a tariff would be a good idea. It is protectionism 101.
Canadians had tariffs on American goods.  Trump put tariffs on Canadian goods to force a better trade deal. That sounds fair to me. He's doing the same with China and Europe.  Of course, if Biden wins, he'll roll over like past presidents and give away the farm.

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« Reply #7123 on: August 28, 2020, 11:56:29 am »

6 ft in distancing is about as good a measure as 5 grains (325mg) in standard Aspirin dosage. Of course, the effect of 325mg is different for a 90lbs girl or a 300lbs man.
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« Reply #7124 on: August 28, 2020, 11:58:13 am »

Where do you get the nonsense about America and Trump?  You realize what you read is mainly fake news.

I get it from the same sources that any American reads, on top of having studied and worked in the US for many years.  Now - tell us where you get your insights into European psychology ....
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« Reply #7125 on: August 28, 2020, 12:03:19 pm »

I wear a mask where I feel I should and keep my distance.  When I walk in the street and there's no one around, I don;t wear it but have it with me in case someone shows up.  Most people do that here.  We're not stupid.  We don't need government to tell us.  Of course, Europeans are use to following government edicts.  Americans are more independent. It's like cameras.  Some people like Auto mode.  Others like Manual mode.

I guess by your reasoning the people invited to watch Trump speak last night must be all stupid as very few wore masks. And Trump himself must be stupid...but we already knew that.
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« Reply #7126 on: August 28, 2020, 12:23:24 pm »

Canadians had tariffs on American goods.  Trump put tariffs on Canadian goods to force a better trade deal. That sounds fair to me. He's doing the same with China and Europe.  Of course, if Biden wins, he'll roll over like past presidents and give away the farm.

Except that the tariff on aluminum wasn't imposed in the context of a trade deal, so instead of a better trade deal he got retaliatory tariffs. As Forrest Gump said: Stupid is as stupid does.
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« Reply #7127 on: August 28, 2020, 12:48:07 pm »

I get it from the same sources that any American reads, on top of having studied and worked in the US for many years.  Now - tell us where you get your insights into European psychology ....
Here, for one.

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« Reply #7128 on: August 28, 2020, 12:52:36 pm »

I guess by your reasoning the people invited to watch Trump speak last night must be all stupid as very few wore masks. And Trump himself must be stupid...but we already knew that.
People aren't stupid if they have different viewpoints and standards than you do.  Thinking independently often takes courage, intelligence and discernment.

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« Reply #7129 on: August 28, 2020, 12:59:25 pm »

People aren't stupid if they have different viewpoints and standards than you do.  Thinking independently often takes courage, intelligence and discernment.

After all, a million lemmings can't be wrong.
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« Reply #7130 on: August 28, 2020, 12:59:57 pm »

Except that the tariff on aluminum wasn't imposed in the context of a trade deal, so instead of a better trade deal he got retaliatory tariffs. As Forrest Gump said: Stupid is as stupid does.
There you go again with ad hominem attacks.  They add nothing to the discussion  but show your limitations to debate. I don't know about the aluminum issue.  But I do know the new trade agreement called USMCA is better than the old one.  And Trump was successful in getting it done.

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« Reply #7131 on: August 28, 2020, 01:02:19 pm »

After all, a million lemmings can't be wrong.
Another Canadian angry with Trump.

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« Reply #7132 on: August 28, 2020, 01:15:43 pm »

There you go again with ad hominem attacks.  They add nothing to the discussion  but show your limitations to debate. I don't know about the aluminum issue.  But I do know the new trade agreement called USMCA is better than the old one.  And Trump was successful in getting it done.

It wasn't an ad hominen attack against you, it was a criticism of Trump. As you said, you know nothing about the aluminum issue, so I don't know why are you chiming in on it. The aluminum tariff was imposed months and months after the USMCA was signed and is wholly unrelated to it.
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« Reply #7133 on: August 28, 2020, 01:24:22 pm »

It wasn't an ad hominen attack against you, it was a criticism of Trump. As you said, you know nothing about the aluminum issue, so I don't know why you are chiming in on it. The aluminum tariff was imposed months and months after the USMCA was signed and is wholly unrelated to it.
I never said it was an ad hominem attack on me.  It was an ad hominem attack on Trump.  Apparently name calling is one of your debating styles.

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« Reply #7134 on: August 28, 2020, 01:28:57 pm »

Another Canadian angry with Trump.

Eh? Wrong by about 5000 miles
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« Reply #7135 on: August 28, 2020, 01:30:16 pm »

I never said it was an ad hominem attack on me.  It was an ad hominem attack on Trump.  Apparently name calling is one of your debating styles.

I think you need to read up on what ad hominem means.
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« Reply #7136 on: August 28, 2020, 01:32:07 pm »

I never said it was an ad hominem attack on me.  It was an ad hominem attack on Trump.  Apparently name calling is one of your debating styles.

What is it with you and Trump? Every time someone says something critical of Trump, you act like they insulted your wife. You called Biden a plagiarist and I didn't get my panties in a bunch.
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« Reply #7137 on: August 28, 2020, 01:33:06 pm »

Eh? Wrong by about 5000 miles
Well, wherever you're from, Trump probably did something that helped America against your country. That's why you're angry. And why are you afraid to post where you're from on your profile page? Are you ashamed? Afraid? Do you think someone's going to track you down.  :)

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« Reply #7138 on: August 28, 2020, 01:36:48 pm »

Well, wherever you're from, Trump probably did something that helped America against your country. That's why you're angry. And why are you afraid to post where you're from on your profile page? Are you ashamed? Afraid? Do you think someone's going to track you down.  :)

I don't think I've made a secret about being from the UK. Has Trump done something to hurt my country? Probably. But not as much as he's hurt yours.

(It has happened that someone from a forum tried to get me into trouble with my employer which is why I don't agree with requiring real names)
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« Reply #7139 on: August 28, 2020, 01:41:21 pm »

What is it with you and Trump? Every time someone says something critical of Trump, you act like they insulted you wife. You just called Biden a plagiarist and I didn't get my panties in a bunch.
You called Trump stupid.  That's just a put down, name calling.  A plagiarist is not the same.  Biden stole from others and admitted it. Just like Trump cheating on his golf score is not an ad hominem attack.  Both cheating and plagiarizing are legitimate activities describing what people did. 
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