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LesPalenik

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6600 on: July 29, 2020, 08:37:20 am »

Everyone here was bragging how the Europeans had it all figured out over the Americans.  I've been the one saying we won't know whose methods were the best until it's over.  Along that line, I was watching a Youtube video about the Spanish flu. It lasted four years 1917-1921.  The second season is came back with a vengeance.  Highest infection and death rates. The 4th year was the "best" with most people recovering who were infected. 

A couple of interesting things.  Everyone seemed to be wearing masks.  So how come the CDC told us they don't help a hundred years later?  Where was the press challenging them?  It seems Asians learned the lesson as they always wear masks when they're sick.  But we in the West are dummies. 

The other thing was that one year after the end of infection, the US economy had come back very powerfully ushering in the Roaring Twenties.  Let's hope we can recover as quickly although back then we were on the gold standard, had lots of savings and little debt unlike today.

There was enough evidence already four months ago that the masks are helping. Countries like Singapore, Thailand, Czechia, Slovakia, South Korea mandated masks in the early days of the epidemic and had very low infection and death rates. As you say, the dummies instead of doing something tangible and what was in their control were spreading conspiracy theories, fairy tales about the end of the epidemic in the summer and advocating dangerous chemicals as healing methods. Canada has recently mandated also masks everywhere in public spaces. Its death rate in the last week is in low 2-digits compared with over thousands deaths in USA. Yesterday's count - 11 dead in Canada, 1245 in USA. In relative terms, that's about 10 times less than in USA.

As to the economy coming back, it could happen again. The effects of dealing with Covid-19 will accelerate more effective transitions across various industries, i.e. more people working from home and thus reducing or eliminating commute time, closing of small bank branches in lieu of increased online banking, reduction of office spaces and converting some of the office buildings and shopping malls into condos, etc. 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6601 on: July 29, 2020, 08:46:08 am »

29-Year-Old Fla. Man Who Got $4M in COVID-19 Relief Funds Buys $318K Lamborghini
https://people.com/human-interest/florida-man-got-4m-covid-19-relief-funds-buys-lamborghini-officials/

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6602 on: July 29, 2020, 08:47:33 am »

Covid may save Kodak.

Kodak soars another 60% after Trump announces deal to manufacture generic drug ingredients
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/28/kodak-soars-another-40percent-after-trump-announces-deal-to-manufacture-generic-drug-ingredients.html

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6603 on: July 29, 2020, 08:53:24 am »

29-Year-Old Fla. Man Who Got $4M in COVID-19 Relief Funds Buys $318K Lamborghini
https://people.com/human-interest/florida-man-got-4m-covid-19-relief-funds-buys-lamborghini-officials/

Again, I understand the outrage (assuming this is true). How is it different than any other boondoggle that we could uncover every day if we chose to look in every sphere in every time, Covod or no Covid? I seem to remember $1000 military hammers, or was that an urban legend?

Same old argument, over and over, about how much things cost, but there's never any analysis about how much it would cost if we DIDN'T do those things.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6604 on: July 29, 2020, 08:56:01 am »

Everyone here was bragging how the Europeans had it all figured out over the Americans.

Stop inventing BS facts to suit your argument. There were failures everywhere but there were successes too, and all anyone has ever done was to point out what worked in those places that had successes in an effort to spread useful knowledge. Stop being so defensive.
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« Reply #6605 on: July 29, 2020, 09:22:24 am »

Doesn't this headline expose a lot of what's wrong with the Covid response, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/28/fauci-trump-ineffective-coronavirus-treatment-383809 ?

"I happen to think", what an incredible thing to say. As if the effectiveness of the treatment depends on what he thinks. Our culture seems to have evolved a cohort who believe that being able to have and voice your own opinion is important, whereas what's really important is that those opinions be correct. This is a very sad situation. What's saddest is that there is this idea in people's heads that it's important to double down on your ideas, regardless of how stupid they are, as if changing your mind about something is a bad thing. Where did that stupid idea come from?

What may also be occurring in this case is a form of arrogance that says, "If I have an idea, then it must be good because it came from me." I'm not surprised to hear this from people, I'm surprised that others listen.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6606 on: July 29, 2020, 09:23:52 am »

Again, I understand the outrage (assuming this is true). How is it different than any other boondoggle that we could uncover every day if we chose to look in every sphere in every time, Covod or no Covid? I seem to remember $1000 military hammers, or was that an urban legend?

Same old argument, over and over, about how much things cost, but there's never any analysis about how much it would cost if we DIDN'T do those things.
I recall about 40 years ago, the big "stink" was B52 bomber replacement toilet seats for $650 that Boeing was charging.

Regarding how much things cost, we don;t analyze things as to true cost when we DO these things.  When the government spends money over here, everyone says isn't that great.  Look how they helped people and companies stay in business.  But what they fail to look at is how that money is no longer available to go elsewhere.  So if you spend money on green energy and climate change, then that money isn't available for cancer research, feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, or healing the sick.  If you bail out unemployed and hurting businesses with printed money due to the virus, the whole country gets hurt economically and will suffer more the following years.  Politicians are good at kicking the can down the road until after the election. 

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6607 on: July 29, 2020, 09:26:21 am »

Stop inventing BS facts to suit your argument. There were failures everywhere but there were successes too, and all anyone has ever done was to point out what worked in those places that had successes in an effort to spread useful knowledge. Stop being so defensive.
Come on.  We've had page after page of how the US is delinquent in their methods. How smart the Europeans are.  All I'm suggesting is a little humility. No one has this all figured out.  I think we're in for a lot of surprises and dangers before it's all over.

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« Reply #6608 on: July 29, 2020, 09:29:18 am »

Doesn't this headline expose a lot of what's wrong with the Covid response, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/28/fauci-trump-ineffective-coronavirus-treatment-383809 ?

"I happen to think", what an incredible thing to say. As if the effectiveness of the treatment depends on what he thinks. Our culture seems to have evolved a cohort who believe that being able to have and voice your own opinion is important, whereas what's really important is that those opinions be correct. This is a very sad situation. What's saddest is that there is this idea in people's heads that it's important to double down on your ideas, regardless of how stupid they are, as if changing your mind about something is a bad thing. Where did that stupid idea come from?

What may also be occurring in this case is a form of arrogance that says, "If I have an idea, then it must be good because it came from me." I'm not surprised to hear this from people, I'm surprised that others listen.
Everyone is jockeying for position because of the election.  Unfortunately, 90% of what you hear from the media and everyone else including here is political which is the title of this thread.

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« Reply #6609 on: July 29, 2020, 09:51:38 am »

Come on.  We've had page after page of how the US is delinquent in their methods. How smart the Europeans are.  All I'm suggesting is a little humility. No one has this all figured out.  I think we're in for a lot of surprises and dangers before it's all over.

Yes, after characterizing the performance of the governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, right up there with the second coming of Christ, now you are calling for humility.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6610 on: July 29, 2020, 09:58:19 am »

Yes, after characterizing the performance of the governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, right up there with the second coming of Christ, now you are calling for humility.
I think I knocked NY Gov Cuomo more than praising DeSantis.  But I agree with you that we shouldn't give anyone too high of mark yet.  This whole thing may still be in the first quarter of the game. 

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« Reply #6611 on: July 29, 2020, 10:10:13 am »

Don't get me started on government billions to large zombie corporations like the airlines.  Another boondoggle.  All that money wasted, will have to be paid back in the near future by you, me and our kids.

Not only large corporations, but all kinds of creative businessmen.

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A South Florida man has been accused of fraudulently obtaining $3.9 million in COVID-19 relief loans and using some of the money to purchase a new Lamborghini Huracán sports car.
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« Reply #6612 on: July 29, 2020, 10:51:59 am »

Everyone is jockeying for position because of the election.  Unfortunately, 90% of what you hear from the media and everyone else including here is political which is the title of this thread.

You keep repeating pat phrases in response to all posts. What does electioneering have to do with that imbecile continuing to promote that ineffective drug?
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« Reply #6613 on: July 29, 2020, 12:25:46 pm »

You keep repeating pat phrases in response to all posts. What does electioneering have to do with that imbecile continuing to promote that ineffective drug?
Why do you defend a senile old man trying to be President/CEO/Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful, richest country in the world?  He's incapable of handling the position.   

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« Reply #6614 on: July 29, 2020, 12:42:37 pm »

Why do you defend a senile old man trying to be President/CEO/Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful, richest country in the world?  He's incapable of handling the position.

You reply like someone on Trump's re-election committee payroll. When have I ever promoted (or even mentioned) Biden?

I've asked you this before. Is there some Trumpeteer web site with standard answer suggestions for forum conversations that you look up before replying? Is there a "staying on-message guide" published somewhere?
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« Reply #6615 on: July 29, 2020, 12:58:37 pm »

You reply like someone on Trump's re-election committee payroll. When have I ever promoted (or even mentioned) Biden?

I've asked you this before. Is there some Trumpeteer web site with standard answer suggestions for forum conversations that you look up before replying? Is there a "staying on-message guide" published somewhere?
Why do your constantly attack and insult my president and me?  It's obnoxious? 

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« Reply #6616 on: July 29, 2020, 01:02:20 pm »

Why do you defend a senile old man trying to be President/CEO/Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful, richest country in the world?  He's incapable of handling the position.

Usually you answer a question with a question when you want to avoid answering the original question, and instead want to change the subject and talk about something else. It's an old debate trick. For example, here Alan doesn't want to answer the question why he keeps repeating pat phrases in response to all posts, and instead wants to change the subject and talk about Biden's alleged senility, even though it is completely irrelevant to the original question. It is a pretty transparent dodge, but sometimes it works.
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« Reply #6617 on: July 29, 2020, 01:06:19 pm »

Why do your constantly attack and insult my president and me?  It's obnoxious?

Your president has opened himself up to attack by way of his actions and attitudes. He attacks and calls everyone who disagree with him derogetory names...like an elementary child on a school field. That is what your leader is made of.
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« Reply #6618 on: July 29, 2020, 01:09:44 pm »

Why do your constantly attack and insult my president and me?  It's obnoxious?

What you see as "attacks" are merely observations on his character and performance as your leader.

The same applies to the international* mainstream media you hate so much.  They're not against him, they're merely reporting what they see.  The fact that what they see is nearly all negative is on him, not the media.

Note*   international media.  Your assumption that they're all colluding to demean and defeat Trump is risible.
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« Reply #6619 on: July 29, 2020, 01:18:40 pm »

I'm wasting my time here.  Have a nice day.
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