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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6540 on: July 25, 2020, 06:27:32 pm »

Not trapped here, I've been working for weeks now.  Plenty of economic activity going on.  Help wanted signed all over the place and tons of people ignoring them while they hoover up the almost 1k per laid off person for sitting home on the sofa.  They can't hire enough people in Elkhart County to keep up with the RV orders, factory capacity sits idle.

Traffic on the roads is brisk and congested at rush hour.  I'm shooting for one of my clients next week who is a major petroleum distributor and I'll be interested to hear how gas and diesel usgage is doing.  No neet to really guess about av fuel :)

Mike Rowe had an interesting take on the whole thing and I suspect it mirrors a lot of peoples thinking,...

https://mikerowe.com/2020/07/im-not-ignoring-covid/

That's exactly what I'm seeing in these parts, lots of cars on the road, people working, restaurants partly open, stores open doing business albeit with some restrictions. Where is this world-wide crushing depression that Alan is constantly worrying about?
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6541 on: July 25, 2020, 06:45:56 pm »

I thought Sinclair was a conservative media outlet. Aren't they pro-Trump?

Very. The Forbes article on the Sinclair COVID conspiracy segment has a link to a story that gives some background on how Sinclair operates "local" news stations.  https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/How America's Largest Local TV Owner Turned Its News Anchors Into Soldiers In Trump's War On The Media

Sinclair has changed local news delivery. Local news used to be produced independently and locally and featured local news and weather stories. Now, Sinclair corporate headquarters produces and packages national news stories and political commentary and delivers them to your local TV news station as "must run" segments for their stations across the country. These Sinclair owned stations are local affiliates which broadcast network shows for all of the major networks including Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, and more; so many viewers are likely unaware that their local news broadcasts are being centrally controlled by Sinclair.

Even more insidious or ingenious, depending on your point of view, is that Sinclair sends "must run" scripts for your local anchors to read on air to make it appear that their corporate script is coming from your local news station and anchor. As one article on Sinclair put it... "One company. One script. Many, many voices." Watch the video in the link above, if you haven't seen it already. It's a mashup of local anchors across the country all reading the same script decrying fake news and its danger to democracy.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6542 on: July 25, 2020, 06:48:01 pm »

That's exactly what I'm seeing in these parts, lots of cars on the road, people working, restaurants partly open, stores open doing business albeit with some restrictions. Where is this world-wide crushing depression that Alan is constantly worrying about?

If you work in the entertainment or travel industries things are not so rosy.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6543 on: July 25, 2020, 09:06:44 pm »

So some armed protesters were doing their thing in Louisville today and one of them shot off his gun and wounded some of his friends. A member tried to calm the crowd down saying: “we had a little accident, it happens.”  Why do they carry loaded guns? Seems like you could make the same statement unloaded. Did they really think they might need to shoot someone?
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6544 on: July 25, 2020, 09:08:53 pm »

When I first read this, I assumed you were kidding or that it was some kind of meme joke whose origins I had missed.

Quote from: Sinclair Broadcasting Group
“We’re a supporter of free speech and a marketplace of ideas and viewpoints, even if incredibly controversial,” the company said in a statemnt.

Translation: Whatever crap sells, we'll publish it.

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How in the F**K can anything like this happen in 2020 in what is supposed to be a sophisticated advanced nation.

I suppose it is in the  "free speech" category, untill you guys/gals (at it's source in the USA) fix it.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6545 on: July 25, 2020, 09:20:39 pm »

So some armed protesters were doing their thing in Louisville today and one of them shot off his gun and wounded some of his friends. A member tried to calm the crowd done saying: “we had a little accident, it happens.”  Why do they carry loaded guns. Seems like you could make the same statement unloaded. Did they really think they might need to shoot someone?

Covidiots. I'm sure their fearless leader approves.
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« Reply #6546 on: July 25, 2020, 09:35:09 pm »

Covidiots. I'm sure their fearless leader approves.

They are a black Far Left group and they were there to protest a black shooting death. 

1. It had nothing to do with Covid
2. They are far from Trump supporters.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6547 on: July 26, 2020, 12:06:25 pm »

They are a black Far Left group and they were there to protest a black shooting death. 

1. It had nothing to do with Covid
2. They are far from Trump supporters.

I don't think anyone is protesting stuff related to COVID anymore. That's so last month. Besides, Trump said he encouraged everyone to wear a mask, so that sort of let the air out of the protesters' ballon.

By the way, what was the white far right group there to protest?
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6548 on: July 26, 2020, 12:28:54 pm »

Very. The Forbes article on the Sinclair COVID conspiracy segment has a link to a story that gives some background on how Sinclair operates "local" news stations.  https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/How America's Largest Local TV Owner Turned Its News Anchors Into Soldiers In Trump's War On The Media

Sinclair has changed local news delivery. Local news used to be produced independently and locally and featured local news and weather stories. Now, Sinclair corporate headquarters produces and packages national news stories and political commentary and delivers them to your local TV news station as "must run" segments for their stations across the country. These Sinclair owned stations are local affiliates which broadcast network shows for all of the major networks including Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, and more; so many viewers are likely unaware that their local news broadcasts are being centrally controlled by Sinclair.

Even more insidious or ingenious, depending on your point of view, is that Sinclair sends "must run" scripts for your local anchors to read on air to make it appear that their corporate script is coming from your local news station and anchor. As one article on Sinclair put it... "One company. One script. Many, many voices." Watch the video in the link above, if you haven't seen it already. It's a mashup of local anchors across the country all reading the same script decrying fake news and its danger to democracy.

The irony in those broadcasts is overwhelming.  Even more ironic are Trump's continuous and vociferous accusations of "Fake News!", when he is the uncontested champion of fake.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6549 on: July 26, 2020, 12:31:40 pm »

The irony in those broadcasts is overwhelming.  Even more ironic are Trump's continuous and vociferous accusations of "Fake News!", when he is the uncontested champion of fake.

Pretty much when Trump complains about something, it means he's doing it too.
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« Reply #6550 on: July 26, 2020, 01:01:37 pm »

This is a wide-ranging interview with David Frum about the US state of political affairs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dnbhjAANH8&feature=youtu.be. Safe space warning, he's very anti-Trump.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6551 on: July 26, 2020, 01:08:33 pm »

Not trapped here, I've been working for weeks now.  Plenty of economic activity going on.  Help wanted signed all over the place and tons of people ignoring them while they hoover up the almost 1k per laid off person for sitting home on the sofa.  They can't hire enough people in Elkhart County to keep up with the RV orders, factory capacity sits idle.

Traffic on the roads is brisk and congested at rush hour.  I'm shooting for one of my clients next week who is a major petroleum distributor and I'll be interested to hear how gas and diesel usgage is doing.  No neet to really guess about av fuel :)

Mike Rowe had an interesting take on the whole thing and I suspect it mirrors a lot of peoples thinking,...

https://mikerowe.com/2020/07/im-not-ignoring-covid/
Interesting that  Dr. Osterholm’s in that article expects the virus to go through the entire populace before it's over.  Measures taken now are slowing it down.  But it will go through anyway.  Even Gov Cuomo of NY said that months ago when he stated that 80% of New Yorkers were going to get it.  Then he shut up never repeating that statistic. 

As an old guy with comorbidities, I'm really fearful about getting it.  But it will be what it will be.  If I get it, I hope I can survive it.  I think about my wife and child too and rest of my family and friends.  No one likes to be powerless.  But in the end., there's not much we can do about these things.  We're all in God's hands.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6552 on: July 26, 2020, 01:42:28 pm »

We're all in God's hands.

Then we are all screwed. After all, wasn't it God that created the virus? God must be some kind of sadist if he loves watching misery.
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« Reply #6553 on: July 26, 2020, 01:46:24 pm »

Then we are all screwed. After all, wasn't it God that created the virus? God must be some kind of sadist if he loves watching misery.

It is okay. We have free will. Too bad we don't know what to do with it. Maybe we'll learn. Look at the bright side: Trump now encourages wearing masks, so anything is possible.
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« Reply #6554 on: July 26, 2020, 01:48:15 pm »

Very. The Forbes article on the Sinclair COVID conspiracy segment has a link to a story that gives some background on how Sinclair operates "local" news stations.  https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/How America's Largest Local TV Owner Turned Its News Anchors Into Soldiers In Trump's War On The Media

Sinclair has changed local news delivery. Local news used to be produced independently and locally and featured local news and weather stories. Now, Sinclair corporate headquarters produces and packages national news stories and political commentary and delivers them to your local TV news station as "must run" segments for their stations across the country. These Sinclair owned stations are local affiliates which broadcast network shows for all of the major networks including Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, and more; so many viewers are likely unaware that their local news broadcasts are being centrally controlled by Sinclair.

Even more insidious or ingenious, depending on your point of view, is that Sinclair sends "must run" scripts for your local anchors to read on air to make it appear that their corporate script is coming from your local news station and anchor. As one article on Sinclair put it... "One company. One script. Many, many voices." Watch the video in the link above, if you haven't seen it already. It's a mashup of local anchors across the country all reading the same script decrying fake news and its danger to democracy.
CBS, ABC and NBC does the same thing especially with their national news and cable outlets.  It's one voice, anti-Trump. It's really a shame that journalism has become so biased.  Journalists have become talking heads on news stations rather than reporters providing the news. 

Most media is on the left, so the right does't get a much coverage.  I'm not saying I agree with these conspiracy theories.  I don't.  But most news is leftist in America which is what the rest of the world mainly reads and hears as well.

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« Reply #6555 on: July 26, 2020, 01:58:53 pm »

That's exactly what I'm seeing in these parts, lots of cars on the road, people working, restaurants partly open, stores open doing business albeit with some restrictions. Where is this world-wide crushing depression that Alan is constantly worrying about?
I hope I'm wrong.  But estimates are that America's GDP will be down $3.4 trillion this year, or roughly 15%.  I heard another estimate at $5 trillion which would be about 25%.   

I just checked Fitch ratings estimates in Jun 29, 2020.  They seem more optimistic, maybe:
"China's recovery also continued at a solid pace in May and we have raised our 2020 GDP forecast to 1.2% from 0.7% in the previous GEO, the first upwards forecast revision for a long time. We have also upgraded forecasts for Australia and Korea, respectively to -2.7% from -5.0% and to -0.9% from -1.2%. We now expect Germany's economy to shrink by 6.3% in 2020 compared to an earlier forecast of -6.7%, owing to additional fiscal policy easing. The eurozone forecast is, correspondingly, now -8% compared to -8.2% in the previous GEO.

We have affirmed the US 2020 GDP forecast at -5.6% following recent improvements in the data but we still expect the economy to decline by 9.9% (34% annualised) in 2Q20 and the recent increase in daily new virus cases increases downside risks.

We have lowered our forecasts for Brazil, the UK, Mexico, Russia, Turkey, South Africa and Indonesia. The virus outbreak continues to intensify in Brazil and we now expect GDP to decline by 7% in 2020 (previous forecast -6%) despite aggressive policy easing. We have cut Mexico's forecast to -9.1% (from -7.4%) following very weak incoming industrial production data and the extension of restrictions and against a backdrop of a modest policy easing response. We now expect the UK economy to fall by 9% this year (-7.8% previously) with a longer-than-anticipated lockdown and incoming data now pointing to a 15% decline in GDP in 2Q20."

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« Reply #6556 on: July 26, 2020, 02:03:34 pm »

Another point to realize, is that GDP reduction also includes major monetary easing.  Printing trillions in dollars, Euros, etc. is false stimulation not real productivity.  While GDP goes up, so does debt that has to be paid back in the future lowering capital, productivity, jobs, wealth, and earnings.  You can't get a free lunch. 

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« Reply #6557 on: July 26, 2020, 02:16:47 pm »

I hope I'm wrong.  But estimates are that America's GDP will be down $3.4 trillion this year, or roughly 15%.  I heard another estimate at $5 trillion which would be about 25%.

Isn’t that about what you would expect if everybody stopped working for two or three months?
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« Reply #6558 on: July 26, 2020, 02:30:09 pm »

Isn’t that about what you would expect if everybody stopped working for two or three months?
Not everyone stopped working.  Many are working at home like my daughter who's a therapist and her husband who's a lawyer. 

The big problem is that many businesses will not open up again or fail anyway when they try.  Many will open only partly.  There are so many marginal companies that the virus has revealed that should go out of business anyway. They're staying alive on a lot of debt and now, due to Covid 19, the chickens are coming home to roost. I just read that Neiman Marcus an upscale department store is closing its new flagship store in Manhattan and filing for bankruptcy.  Here's a list of bankruptcies from July 13 of retail type stores mainly.  Other industries have been hit hard as well.
RTW Retailwinds (July 13)
Muji USA (July 10)
Sur La Table
Brooks Brothers
G-Star Raw (July 3)
Lucky Brand (July 3)
GNC (June 23)
Tuesday Morning (May 27)
Centric Brands (May 18)
J.C. Penney (May 15)
Stage Stores (May 11)
Aldo (May 7)
Neiman Marcus (May 7)
J. Crew (May 4)
Roots USA (April 29)
True Religion (April 13)
Modell's Sporting Goods (March 11)
Art Van Furniture (March 9)
Bluestem Brands (March 9)
Pier 1 (Feb. 17)
SFP Franchise Corp (Jan. 23)
RTW Retailwinds

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« Reply #6559 on: July 26, 2020, 02:43:58 pm »

I wouldn't worry too much about those bankruptcies. Those companies are run by smart businessmen, like Trump, who know how to work the system. Nobody will lose any money except the banks, who shouldn't have lent it in the first place, and that subcontractor who did the monogrammed towels for the executive washroom, who they already stiffed.
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