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Bart_van_der_Wolf

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5040 on: May 26, 2020, 08:09:46 am »

Ad hominen, Bart.

Just looking for facts, Slobodan.
Fact is that "Worldfamous Dr. Drew" is a media personality, and not necessarily a trustworthy source of information. At least he admitted he was wrong in that case.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5041 on: May 26, 2020, 08:25:29 am »

Just looking for facts, Slobodan.
Fact is that "Worldfamous Dr. Drew" is a media personality, and not necessarily a trustworthy source of information. At least he admitted he was wrong in that case.

First, if you are looking for facts, dispute the ones in the video I posted.

Second, he wasn't wrong. The morbidity is in line with a seasonal cold or flu for about 99% of the population. He apologized prematurely. He should have waited on the latest CDC report on morbidity, which happens to confirm what that Stanford report claimed two months ago.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5042 on: May 26, 2020, 08:53:52 am »

Please show me where I was indignant.

Then, if you have the courage of your convictions, please proceed with your refutation of the rest of the article.

It's still your serve.


"There's no way in hell that <insert usual suspects here> are ever going to admit that they're wrong about anything. Ever."

So you want ME, to spend the next few hours researching the links and doing the work to refute the rest of the article when you couldn't even be bothered to post a single link to a video...or admit your error?  Really?  To what end?  Amazing. But not unusual given your history. 

So if the sprit moves me and I feel like wasting time to continue enlighting you after I finsh work today I may just do that.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5043 on: May 26, 2020, 09:36:54 am »

First, if you are looking for facts, dispute the ones in the video I posted.

Second, he wasn't wrong. The morbidity is in line with a seasonal cold or flu for about 99% of the population. He apologized prematurely. He should have waited on the latest CDC report on morbidity, which happens to confirm what that Stanford report claimed two months ago.

How does one compare a (partly vaccinated) population carrying a seasonal virus with a population under a lock-down regime while the death toll keeps rising?
What does that tell you?


Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5044 on: May 26, 2020, 09:38:54 am »

"Perhaps Howard Stern, of all people, said it best: 'The oddity in all of this is the people Trump despises most, love him the most. The people who are voting for Trump for the most part … He’d be disgusted by them.'

The tragedy is that they are not disgusted by him in return." - Charlie Sykes, The Bulwark.

Weird....!
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5045 on: May 26, 2020, 10:16:19 am »

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/coronavirus-who-hydroxychloroquine-1.5583608

It seems hydroxychloroquine is not working...
so we can skip this...
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5046 on: May 26, 2020, 10:38:15 am »

"Two researchers who looked back at the 2016 presidential election suggested that support for Trump was higher in areas where there were more internet searches for topics such as 'erectile dysfunction,' 'how to get girls,' and 'penis enlargement' than in pro-Hillary areas of the country. (One can only hope that correlation is not causation.) The idea that insecure men support bullies and authoritarians is hardly new...";
- Tom Nichols, The Atlanctic.

Things are beginning to make sense to me on this thread....
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5047 on: May 26, 2020, 11:58:46 am »

The real reason for continued lockdowns:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-pre-election-economic-surge-seal-trump

Dems reportedly warning preelection economic surge could boost Trump

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5048 on: May 26, 2020, 12:15:55 pm »

The real reason for continued lockdowns:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-pre-election-economic-surge-seal-trump

Dems reportedly warning preelection economic surge could boost Trump
The story is standard fare for Fox. What is scary are the comments.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5049 on: May 26, 2020, 03:31:28 pm »

The real reason for continued lockdowns:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-pre-election-economic-surge-seal-trump

Dems reportedly warning preelection economic surge could boost Trump

So it had nothing to do with the virus?  interesting...
must be the same here and everywhere; one big political scam
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5050 on: May 26, 2020, 04:03:01 pm »

The story is standard fare for Fox. What is scary are the comments.

What comments? I didn’t see any under the article.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5051 on: May 26, 2020, 04:07:00 pm »

What comments? I didn’t see any under the article.
I see 13,193 and growing.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5052 on: May 26, 2020, 05:00:23 pm »

I see 13,193 and growing.

Ah, yes, I see... there is some sponsored content in between.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5053 on: May 26, 2020, 07:18:58 pm »

First, if you are looking for facts, dispute the ones in the video I posted.

Second, he wasn't wrong. The morbidity is in line with a seasonal cold or flu for about 99% of the population. He apologized prematurely. He should have waited on the latest CDC report on morbidity, which happens to confirm what that Stanford report claimed two months ago.

No way.

The WW flu death toll is estimated by statistical approaches to be 500,000 casualties for the full year. This means about 25,000 people in the US.

The covid19 has already killed 100,000 people in the US based on official reports but:
- the real number is probably twice higher
- the pandemic has probably just reached it’s peak and we can expect the official death toll to reach around 150,000 casualties

So the corona will likely have been 10 times more deadly that the flu even with confinement in place.

It may have been between 2 and 5 times worse without confinement, so the corona is probably at least 20 times deadlier than the flu.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5054 on: May 27, 2020, 09:32:46 am »

The real reason for continued lockdowns:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-pre-election-economic-surge-seal-trump

Dems reportedly warning preelection economic surge could boost Trump

The independent Murdoch source... anyway, it is not all about the guy, as much as he and his supporters think. Lockdowns are more about avoiding deaths on a country which already has a large per capita covid-19 death rate.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5055 on: May 27, 2020, 10:37:52 am »

If Trump shuts down Twitter, he will need to find a new hobby to to fill up his day.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/tech/twitter-trump-fact-check/index.html
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5056 on: May 27, 2020, 10:57:20 am »

If Trump shuts down Twitter, he will need to find a new hobby to to fill up his day.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/tech/twitter-trump-fact-check/index.html

He won't, he can't.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5057 on: May 27, 2020, 12:35:44 pm »

He won't, he can't.

Trump's exact words:

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"Republicans feel that Social Media Platforms totally silence conservatives voices. We will strongly regulate, or close them down, before we can ever allow this to happen."

Some context.  Over the weekend, (couched within petty personal insults, of course) Trump, on Twitter, essentially insinuated that MSNBC host Joe Scarborough might have had something do with the murder of a young woman 16 years ago.  The woman's widower wrote to Twitter and asked them to delete the tweet, which Twitter did NOT do.  What Twitter did instead was note that Trumps accusation was, er, questionable.  That resulted in the statement above.

This is counter to everything that the right claims they adore about Trump. His supposed dedication to their freedoms and appreciation for individual liberty.  Their support of Citizens United (the case that established that corporations, like Twitter, are essentially unique individuals with freedom of speech rights), the accusation that Liberals are keen to regulate speech and outlaw certain points of view.

Here we have, directly and publicly, the President of the United States saying that a private entity should be regulated or silenced into quieting its disagreement with him, directly infringing on the most important right - freedom of speech.

Looking forward to the pretzels Trumpers will tie themselves into brushing this off.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5058 on: May 27, 2020, 12:52:18 pm »

Trump's exact words:

Some context.  Over the weekend, (couched within petty personal insults, of course) Trump, on Twitter, essentially insinuated that MSNBC host Joe Scarborough might have had something do with the murder of a young woman 16 years ago.  The woman's widower wrote to Twitter and asked them to delete the tweet, which Twitter did NOT do.  What Twitter did instead was note that Trumps accusation was, er, questionable.  That resulted in the statement above.

This is counter to everything that the right claims they adore about Trump. His supposed dedication to their freedoms and appreciation for individual liberty.  Their support of Citizens United (the case that established that corporations, like Twitter, are essentially unique individuals with freedom of speech rights), the accusation that Liberals are keen to regulate speech and outlaw certain points of view.

Here we have, directly and publicly, the President of the United States saying that a private entity should be regulated or silenced into quieting its disagreement with him, directly infringing on the most important right - freedom of speech.

Looking forward to the pretzels Trumpers will tie themselves into brushing this off.

Come on James, you know it goes far deeper than that. Conservative speach is regularly censored on some social media platforms. This is nothing new.  By contrast very few liberal voices are censored or subdued.  In addition to the post you commented on, there was the so called fact check banner added to another Trump tweet which is part and parcel with his other complaint.  Interestingly the person who says he responsible for such things as the fact check label ( which lead to CNN of all places) has a posting history of calling Trump and his supporter Nazis and such.

Twitter and other social media sites and pubnlically owned and have the right to run their businesses any way thay choose, including censoring of otherwise commenting on anything that appear on their platform.  I've not read it but I would not be suprised that this is called out in the terms of service.

But they are at best "unregulated".  There have been calls for some regulation, and perhaps that will happen.

I dont use twitter, facebook or other social media platforms other that Linkedin.  My sugestion to the President is to simply look elsewhere and find another outlet, because without some form of regulation nothing is going to change. It does however provide campaign fodder.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5059 on: May 27, 2020, 12:58:42 pm »

James,

This is the part where I fully agree with Trump.

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Republicans feel that Social Media Platforms totally silence conservatives voices.

While I do not agree with this:

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We will strongly regulate, or close them down, before we can ever allow this to happen

I am very much annoyed by the censorship of mostly conservative views by the social media. Or attaching a rebuttal directly to someone's post. Or their "fact checking," which is clearly heavily biased. I do not know what to do about it, other than not using those media.
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