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Bart_van_der_Wolf

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5000 on: May 25, 2020, 03:56:45 am »

The good thing is that all posters on this forum are still well and alive.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5001 on: May 25, 2020, 04:06:38 am »

Bernard, death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back.   

Well, there are many things we can do to avoid death. And I believe you mostly follow the same precautions I and most people follow.

But like I have been saying now for a while, protect the old and let it rip through the young.  FL (a republican run state btw) did just that and has a 1/14 the number of dead as NY.  So, lets learn what we can from successful states and move on.

Protecting the old certainly makes sense and it seems to be the most reasonable route to reopening.

But to do this you need continuous awareness from the young about the risk for the elderly.

Besides, it is still early but a friend who got it 2 months back still hasn't recovered fully his ability to smell, there is widespread discussion about possible permanent ling damages,...

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5002 on: May 25, 2020, 04:28:27 am »

... So your support is indeed unconditional.
 
Now you may want to pause and think a bit about what that means....

It means simply this: the alternative is far, far worse.

Would I like someone less odious personality-wise? Sure. I wouldn't mind Ted Cruz or Den Crenshaw for president in 2024. Younger, articulated, but the same or very similar political platform.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5003 on: May 25, 2020, 04:32:54 am »

Looks like Indians didn't get the memo from American Trump-haters  ;D

https://theprint.in/health/hcq-breakthrough-icmr-finds-its-effective-in-preventing-coronavirus-expands-its-use/427583/?fbclid=IwAR3WeUuYyV869ereaevR8pzs6ieXMNDgl2tmjAkCeJTWS7RKZaFT0DFWf5o

HCQ breakthrough: ICMR finds it’s effective in preventing coronavirus, expands its use

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New Delhi: The Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR), the country’s apex body in the field, has found that consuming the drug hydroxychloroquine reduces the chances of getting infected with Covid-19.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5004 on: May 25, 2020, 04:48:53 am »

Tearing Apart Our Social Fabric, Thread by Thread

https://aapsonline.org/tearing-apart-our-social-fabric-thread-by-thread/?fbclid=IwAR31xTi79uU61GFvbUM9ytCyiTASMYeYqWjMR14C5ZLTWFgJpJNy4t6PJOs

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"We are on the path to becoming fat, depressed, drunken wife-beaters. We are told to ignore statistics because every death is tragic. If the lockdowns persist, every life is a tragedy in the making.
This epidemic has become the opportunity to change the U.S. from a free, energetic, resourceful individualistic society to an authoritarian, collectivist society of broken souls addicted to government largesse.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5005 on: May 25, 2020, 07:08:38 am »

They say even the dog catchers are involved.

Its even worse, now citizens are ratting out their neighbors.  If it gets the to point where the dogs and cats are involved, its all over.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5006 on: May 25, 2020, 09:40:58 am »

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5007 on: May 25, 2020, 10:26:07 am »

Tales from the looney land:

https://www.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-940b-11ea-abcd-371e24b679ed

Looney is right, that writer is a complete egghead.. 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5008 on: May 25, 2020, 10:41:12 am »

Tales from the looney land:

https://www.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-940b-11ea-abcd-371e24b679ed

Once again, a summary of the link? Or a least a headline?

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5009 on: May 25, 2020, 10:47:21 am »

Once again, a summary of the link? Or a least a headline?

When the writer is already not telling the whole truth by the second paragraph, not even a summary can help.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5010 on: May 25, 2020, 12:47:32 pm »

Once again, a summary of the link? Or a least a headline?

"Inside Trump’s coronavirus meltdown | Free to read"

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5011 on: May 25, 2020, 12:49:25 pm »

When the writer is already not telling the whole truth by the second paragraph, not even a summary can help.

Right... when the facts do not match the looney land narrative.

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« Reply #5012 on: May 25, 2020, 12:52:09 pm »

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5013 on: May 25, 2020, 01:00:45 pm »

Right... when the facts do not match the looney land narrative.

No when a lefty hack writes "facts" that are not facts.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5014 on: May 25, 2020, 01:03:22 pm »

Careful who you listen to. A large percentage of Covid-19 tweets may be bots, https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/carnegie-mellon-covid-19-twitter-bots-research_n_5ec9e47bc5b64085c39ba7d0?ri18n=true.

Only "may be bots"? Dont they actually know?
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5015 on: May 25, 2020, 01:38:31 pm »

When the writer is already not telling the whole truth by the second paragraph, not even a summary can help.

For the benefit of those who have not read the article, here's the second paragraph.  Copied and pasted without permission, including the warning from TFT


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Here's the maligned second paragraph:

   Shortly before the CDC visit, Trump said “within a couple of days, [infections are] going to be down to close to zero”. The US then had 15 cases. “One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” A few days afterwards, he claimed: “I’ve felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.” That afternoon at the CDC provides an X-ray into Trump’s mind at the halfway point between denial and acceptance.

The article continues with a quick review of the facts and events leading up to the current situation.

The <insert usual suspects here> will deride the article as yet another political hit piece.  However, The Financial Times deserves research.

Wikipedia:According to the Global Capital Markets Survey, which measures readership habits amongst most senior financial decision makers in the world's largest financial institutions, the Financial Times is considered the most important business read, reaching 36% of the sample population, 11% more than The Wall Street Journal (WSJ), its main rival. The Economist, which was once 50% owned by FT, reaches 32%. FT's The Banker also proved vital reading, reaching 24%.[40] In addition FT was regarded as the most credible publication in reporting financial and economic issues among the Worldwide Professional Investment Community audience. The Economist was also rated the third most credible title by most influential professional investors (those who personally managed asset funds worth $5 billion or more), while the WSJ was second.[41]

Further reading on Wikipedia reveals that:

The FT advocates free markets and is in favour of globalisation, as well as globalist policies.

During the 1980s it supported Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan's monetarist policies.



For the benefit of <insert usual suspects here>

(1) Piece-by-piece, point-by-point validated disputation of the facts in the article welcomed.

(2) Flat out, unattributed general denial of the facts not welcomed, but expected.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5016 on: May 25, 2020, 01:44:41 pm »

Boom! Yet another triggered liberal response.  Who could have guessed!

The Right's favourite word.  Even the title of a book by one of their most cowardly and despicable members.

Says a lot, IMHO. That's all they care about: "triggering".
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5017 on: May 25, 2020, 01:47:18 pm »

For the benefit of those who have not read the article, here's the second paragraph.  Copied and pasted without permission, including the warning from TFT

Your short quote clearly would fall within the "fair use" doctrine in the United States.  I believe Canada's copyright law has a similar provision.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5018 on: May 25, 2020, 03:30:07 pm »

Tearing Apart Our Social Fabric, Thread by Thread

https://aapsonline.org/tearing-apart-our-social-fabric-thread-by-thread/?fbclid=IwAR31xTi79uU61GFvbUM9ytCyiTASMYeYqWjMR14C5ZLTWFgJpJNy4t6PJOs
After you've read the "About" page for the AAPS, you don't really need to read the article. You know what it says.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5019 on: May 25, 2020, 05:38:26 pm »

For the benefit of those who have not read the article, here's the second paragraph.  Copied and pasted without permission, including the warning from TFT


   Please use the sharing tools found via the share button at the top or side of articles. Copying articles to share with others is a breach of FT.com T&Cs and Copyright Policy. Email [email protected] to buy additional rights. Subscribers may share up to 10 or 20 articles per month using the gift article service. More information can be found at https://www.ft.com/tour.
   https://www.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-940b-11ea-abcd-371e24b679ed



Here's the maligned second paragraph:

   Shortly before the CDC visit, Trump said “within a couple of days, [infections are] going to be down to close to zero”. The US then had 15 cases. “One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” A few days afterwards, he claimed: “I’ve felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.” That afternoon at the CDC provides an X-ray into Trump’s mind at the halfway point between denial and acceptance.

The article continues with a quick review of the facts and events leading up to the current situation.

The <insert usual suspects here> will deride the article as yet another political hit piece.  However, The Financial Times deserves research.

Wikipedia:According to the Global Capital Markets Survey, which measures readership habits amongst most senior financial decision makers in the world's largest financial institutions, the Financial Times is considered the most important business read, reaching 36% of the sample population, 11% more than The Wall Street Journal (WSJ), its main rival. The Economist, which was once 50% owned by FT, reaches 32%. FT's The Banker also proved vital reading, reaching 24%.[40] In addition FT was regarded as the most credible publication in reporting financial and economic issues among the Worldwide Professional Investment Community audience. The Economist was also rated the third most credible title by most influential professional investors (those who personally managed asset funds worth $5 billion or more), while the WSJ was second.[41]

Further reading on Wikipedia reveals that:

The FT advocates free markets and is in favour of globalisation, as well as globalist policies.

During the 1980s it supported Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan's monetarist policies.



For the benefit of <insert usual suspects here>

(1) Piece-by-piece, point-by-point validated disputation of the facts in the article welcomed.

(2) Flat out, unattributed general denial of the facts not welcomed, but expected.

“One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” 

This is totally taken out of context and it’s simply not the whole truth.  Fake news...Propaganda.  If the author is willing to shade the truth on something as easily checked as this, dare we dive into the rest?  ( and yes there is more, starting here pretty much destroys the entire article.)

Watch the entire tape of Trumps entire comments on this subject from Feb 28.   

Then get back to us.


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