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[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52676981

Psychiatrists fear 'tsunami' of mental illness after lockdown

Yes, and so?

Are (rethorical) you suggesting that it's better to let people die?

[elliot_n]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52676981

Psychiatrists fear 'tsunami' of mental illness after lockdown

Maybe. But the lockdown can also be seen as an oasis of calm for all manner of social misfits — introverts, agoraphobes, aspies etc.

[LesPalenik]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52676981

Psychiatrists fear 'tsunami' of mental illness after lockdown

This and many other untreated illnesses due to the closing of medical offices.

[faberryman]

This and many other untreated illnesses due to the closing of medical offices.

Many psychiatrists and psychologists are conducting sessions with patients by Zoom and other video chat apps.

[Alan Klein]

Why would want the virus disappear on its own? I thought, it was more in the Veni Vidi Vici spirit.

The quicker this thing is gone, the quicker we can get back to restoring the economy which is going to be tremendously difficult even under the best circumstances.  Plus, I'm staying locked up until it's safe to come out again.   

[Alan Klein]

Data as per yesterday. Plot is number of cumulative deaths versus number of days after 10th death. Portugal is black line. I labeled two countries that have more or less the same population as Portugal (Sweden and Belgium) and who implemented quarantine measures later than us and/or less restrictive. You can see the results.

And as already stated, Sweden will face an economic recession as dire as the rest of the EU. One can argue about plus or minus a couple of points of deficit on GDP. What is undisouted is that lockdown saved lives. Portugal and Sweden were growing initially at the comparable rates, but we implemented lockdown on March 16, after we reached 100 infection cases.

I have also labeled Brasil, whose infection curve and consequently death curve is still rising. USA on the top, as always, curve still not flat yet.

You're too early in your analysis.  Let's visit this next year and see what's happening then.  If this thing comes back or never really leaves, Sweden's self-immunity and higher figures this year may mean less cases there and more elsewhere 12 months from now. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. We're only in the second period of a four period contest.

[Alan Klein]

Alan, I am sure you will find this article interesting - it is the most comprehensive timeline regarding China's response to the Virus.

"The Congressional Research Service, the nonpartisan research arm of the House and the Senate, this week released a detailed timeline of the actions China took during the early weeks of the epidemic in December and January".

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/05/a-new-report-shows-what-really-happened-with-chinas-coronavirus-response/

Mother Jones has been against Trump for four years.  They have called him a traitor and worse.  I wouldn't trust anything they have to say.

[Alan Klein]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52676981

Psychiatrists fear 'tsunami' of mental illness after lockdown

My daughter's a therapist.  Fortunately, the insurance companies are allowing therapy over the phone using Skype.  She said she lost three of her patients.  They didn't want phone therapy preferring person-to-person.  But she's made up the difference plus in new cases.  Meanwhile she's saving money on commuting costs to NYC, lunches out, business clothes, and just plain wear and tear.   

I wonder how many people like her and even larger companies are going to switch their employees to working from home?  That's going to have a huge effect on commercial real estate, construction, transportation, taxis, restaurants in business areas, etc. 

It's going to be a different world.

[Alan Klein]

This and many other untreated illnesses due to the closing of medical offices.

Dental offices too.  I've got some major issues that have to be addressed.  I'm sure many others are in the same predicament.

[LesPalenik]

The quicker this thing is gone, the quicker we can get back to restoring the economy which is going to be tremendously difficult even under the best circumstances.  Plus, I'm staying locked up until it's safe to come out again. 

That's what you want. Which is not necessarily what the virus wants.

[LesPalenik]

My daughter's a therapist.  Fortunately, the insurance companies are allowing therapy over the phone using Skype.  She said she lost three of her patients.  They didn't want phone therapy preferring person-to-person.  But she's made up the difference plus in new cases.  Meanwhile she's saving money on commuting costs to NYC, lunches out, business clothes, and just plain wear and tear.   

I wonder how many people like her and even larger companies are going to switch their employees to working from home?  That's going to have a huge effect on commercial real estate, construction, transportation, taxis, restaurants in business areas, etc. 

It's going to be a different world.

Very large effect. Now the companies find that they operate their business with perhaps half the employees working from home. The employees feel also happier and can work more productively. If they get cold or flu, they won't infect their colleagues, they won't get killed on their way to work, and if they have hangover, they won't have to lie that they can't come to work because their baby got sick. Half of the Manhattan offices will become vacant. Some even in Buffalo.

[Alan Klein]

They just started testing all the residents at my 97 YO mother-in-law's assisted living home here in Central New Jersey. There are probably 200-300 residents there.  She's negative as are all tested so far.  We'll get full statistics next week.

[chez]

Very large effect. Now the companies find that they operate their business with perhaps half the employees working from home. The employees feel also happier and can work more productively. If they get cold or flu, they won't infect their colleagues, they won't get killed on their way to work, and if they have hangover, they won't have to lie that they can't come to work because their baby got sick. Half of the Manhattan offices will become vacant. Some even in Buffalo.

Progress and change is always good in the end. Stagnated big bureaucratic companies need to change and morph. Maybe those offices should have been vacant for years and just need a push to get things going. Think about all the extra free time people have not sitting for hours commuting. Think about how much less pollution we'd put into the air. Think about the cost savings from no more commuting, no more parking, no more lunches out. One can probably retire 5 years earlier by investing those savings wisely.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... Are (rethorical) you suggesting that it's better to let people die?

Yes.

(Non-rhetorical me)

[chez]

Yes.

(Non-rhetorical me)

So why don't we just let the mentally ill commit suicide? Why care so much about them and not about the people that die from the virus. Seems hypocritical to me.

[William Walker]

Mother Jones has been against Trump for four years.  They have called him a traitor and worse.  I wouldn't trust anything they have to say.

What a pity..🙈
"Overall, we rate Mother Jones strongly Left-Center biased based on story selection that moderately favors the left and High for factual reporting due to thorough sourcing."

[Alan Klein]

What a pity..🙈
"Overall, we rate Mother Jones strongly Left-Center biased based on story selection that moderately favors the left and High for factual reporting due to thorough sourcing."

I didn't read the article but I bet it's anti Trump.  It's like watching CNN or MSNBC.   It's author David Corn I've seen on TV many times. He's hysterically anti-Trump.  He kept pushing the idea Trump was a traitor and colluded with Putin.   The idea it's factually reported is a joke. What does it even mean that a media is biased left (or right) but is high for factual reporting due to thorough sourcing?  If you keep reading stuff like this, your brain is going to pucker up and implode.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

What does it even mean that a media is biased left (or right) but is high for factual reporting due to thorough sourcing?

It means that you are wrong, when you say that you "wouldn't trust anything they have to say".
Their choice of subjects may not be of your liking, but they do get their facts straight.

[kers]

I didn't read the article but I bet it's anti Trump.  It's like watching CNN or MSNBC.   It's author David Corn I've seen on TV many times. He's hysterically anti-Trump.  He kept pushing the idea Trump was a traitor and colluded with Putin.   The idea it's factually reported is a joke. What does it even mean that a media is biased left (or right) but is high for factual reporting due to thorough sourcing?  If you keep reading stuff like this, your brain is going to pucker up and implode.

You have a hard time what to believe.
But why always believe Trump?; and why is Trump always right and is critisism just simply anti-Trump. What is wrong with facts?
Start thinking.
I feel lucky I live in a country not divided in Right vs Wrong - Us against Them;  In my country truth and facts are unpolitical and unbiased and get they importance they deserve. we believe in facts and reason.
People here are quite open minded and our prime minister is not in for the money/power, acts rational, logica, follows experts advice and tries to unite people.

[chez]

People here are quite open minded and our prime minister is not in for the money/power, acts rational, logica, follows experts advice and tries to unite people.

Oh...like a leader.