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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #4340 on: May 13, 2020, 09:05:31 pm »

Apparently, a health official is not King, at least not in the State of Wisconsin.

Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down state's stay-at-home order
[/b] "The suit was filed specifically against state Department of Health Services Secretary-designee Andrea Palm and other health officials, who made the decision in mid-April to extend the state's "Safer at Home" emergency order. At the same time as the extension, the state loosened some restrictions on certain businesses, including golf courses, public libraries, and arts and crafts stores.

But the justices wrote in their decision Wednesday that "an agency cannot confer on itself the power to dictate the lives of law-abiding individuals as comprehensively as the order does without reaching beyond the executive branch's authority.""

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/politics/wisconsin-supreme-court-strikes-down-stay-at-home-order/index.html

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #4341 on: May 13, 2020, 11:01:07 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHK7mX-znRU

An objective analysis about the way Fox news has thrown Dr. Fauci under the bus for daring telling a truth that's mildly not aligned with the Trump administration's official story lines.

This is another fascinating example of how strongly the current administration and Fox is attempting to politicize this situation even against the most obviously bipartisan scientists such as Fauci.

But sure enough, all the media not doing this will be taxed by Trump supporters as leaning to the left...  ;D ;D ;D

This really is a wonderful example where we have objective facts that are agreed to by all bipartisan people and where:
- there is indeed a difference  between Fox and the rest of the press
- but this isn't the rest of the press being left from reality, it's fox being far right off reality to the point that their reporting is totally lacking objectivity

I wonder how this relates to actual respect to the freedom of speech?

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #4342 on: May 13, 2020, 11:27:09 pm »

Thanks for the link, Bernard

Good discussion / report and also many spot-on comments.
One of the comments: "I've lost two friends to the virus, and another who called it a hoax, has now tested positive. I asked if he still thought it was a hoax. He hung up on me."
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #4343 on: May 14, 2020, 01:21:11 am »

... One of the comments: "I've lost two friends to the virus, and another who called it a hoax, has now tested positive. I asked if he still thought it was a hoax. He hung up on me."

Very few people think the virus itself is a hoax. Most say that the overreaction to it and the ensuing panic porn is a hoax. Little Nazis and commies world over jumped to the opportunity for a dry run of the future (current?) totalitarianism. That’s a hoax. And yes, I had that Chinese virus and still think the reaction to it is a hoax. Call me, I won’t hang up.

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« Reply #4344 on: May 14, 2020, 04:02:54 am »

Very few people think the virus itself is a hoax. Most say that the overreaction to it and the ensuing panic porn is a hoax. Little Nazis and commies world over jumped to the opportunity for a dry run of the future (current?) totalitarianism. That’s a hoax. And yes, I had that Chinese virus and still think the reaction to it is a hoax. Call me, I won’t hang up.

I guess you always drive on the wrong site of the road ( probably armed)  to enjoy your freedom, acting up against the nazi communism totalitarianism... or whatever.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #4345 on: May 14, 2020, 05:19:50 am »

Very few people think the virus itself is a hoax. Most say that the overreaction to it and the ensuing panic porn is a hoax. Little Nazis and commies world over jumped to the opportunity for a dry run of the future (current?) totalitarianism. That’s a hoax. And yes, I had that Chinese virus and still think the reaction to it is a hoax. Call me, I won’t hang up.

Trump and Boris used to think it was a hoax. Bolsonaro still does, calling it a "minor flu". And yet, the guy was already tested 5 times under different aliases. I think he is even more ignorant and incompetent than Trump, something quite difficult.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #4346 on: May 14, 2020, 05:31:16 am »

Very few people think the virus itself is a hoax. Most say that the overreaction to it and the ensuing panic porn is a hoax. Little Nazis and commies world over jumped to the opportunity for a dry run of the future (current?) totalitarianism. That’s a hoax. And yes, I had that Chinese virus and still think the reaction to it is a hoax. Call me, I won’t hang up.

Slobodan, that comment wasn't mine, and luckily I don't don't know anybody except you who had the virus. I'm still feeling sorry for you but I'm also elated that you overcame it without any harm. Next time I'm in your vicinity, I will call you, maybe we can go and shoot some virus survivors.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #4347 on: May 14, 2020, 05:43:52 am »

Trump and Boris used to think it was a hoax. Bolsonaro still does, calling it a "minor flu". And yet, the guy was already tested 5 times under different aliases. I think he is even more ignorant and incompetent than Trump, something quite difficult.

Most countries show a decline in new cases, except Brasil. If their current trend continue, soon they will overtake Spain, UK and Italy and become the second most affected country after USA.
Apparently, Bolsonaro is now busy creating a new party in which he would be the party president and his son a vice-president.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #4348 on: May 14, 2020, 07:03:32 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHK7mX-znRU

An objective analysis about the way Fox news has thrown Dr. Fauci under the bus for daring telling a truth that's mildly not aligned with the Trump administration's official story lines.

This is another fascinating example of how strongly the current administration and Fox is attempting to politicize this situation even against the most obviously bipartisan scientists such as Fauci.

But sure enough, all the media not doing this will be taxed by Trump supporters as leaning to the left...  ;D ;D ;D

This really is a wonderful example where we have objective facts that are agreed to by all bipartisan people and where:
- there is indeed a difference  between Fox and the rest of the press
- but this isn't the rest of the press being left from reality, it's fox being far right off reality to the point that their reporting is totally lacking objectivity

I wonder how this relates to actual respect to the freedom of speech?

Cheers,
Bernard

WOW!  Are you telling me that the most liberal news network in the USA is criticizing the most conservative news network in the USA.  That is just amazing!   ::)

FYI, I looked up the media rating on both MSNBC and Fox News and they are pretty much similar, so this is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.  (Click on links to see media ratings.)

You, personally Bernard, cant criticize Fox News while at the same time referencing MSNBC as proof.  It is a fool's argument.

Furthermore, MSNBC is equally as guilty as distorting what Dr. Fauci is saying.  Fauci has repeatably said he is not taking into account the economic fall out caused by the lock down nor any deaths which will be a direct result of the lock downs (like from delayed cancer treatments LesPalenik is constantly point out.)  He has said that he is only giving advice on the virus, and that his advice needs to be weighed with other advice from other professionals as well.  This was the point Rand Paul was making during the hearing, and Fauci largely agreed with him. 

However, many left leaning news sources keep on insisting that we only listen to the medical experts on re-opening, even though they will be overly cautious.  It would be like asking medical experts in 1941 how we should respond to Japan bombing Pearl Harbor.  Well, medical experts are about saving lives and going to war will cost people their lives, so it would be expected they would advise against the war. 

This is not an acceptable response, just like continuing this lock down any longer is not acceptable. 

Meanwhile, if you really want to criticize a news network, look nor further then CNN. 

Social media storm erupts after CNN puts Greta Thunberg on coronavirus panel: report  (I know, it's a Fox News link, but you can verify this elsewhere, CNN is even proud of this.)

Even though I believe climate change is a problem we need to solve, I never thought listening to a 17 year old brat who's only redeemable trait is yelling at adults on the subject was a good idea.  It is an even worse idea to do so when the talk is about C-19. 

CNN is a joke. 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #4349 on: May 14, 2020, 07:26:52 am »

... Next time I'm in your vicinity, I will call you, maybe we can go and shoot some virus survivors.

I would prefer to shoot contact tracers ;)

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #4350 on: May 14, 2020, 07:32:33 am »

I would prefer to shoot contact tracers ;)

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #4351 on: May 14, 2020, 08:29:18 am »

They're working on contact tracers here in NJ.  I guess with all the people out of work, there could be plenty of people available for the job.  What we should do is those people getting $600 a week from the government have to provide services as a tracer to get the money.  I think that would be fair.

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« Reply #4352 on: May 14, 2020, 08:42:51 am »

Anyone want to buy a boat?

Why Carnival, Royal Caribbean, and Norwegian Cruise Line Stocks Sank on Wednesday
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« Reply #4353 on: May 14, 2020, 08:47:10 am »



Relax, contact tracing is not a leftie plot to usurp your rights, that's what social media is for. ;)
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #4354 on: May 14, 2020, 08:49:16 am »

WOW!  Are you telling me that the most liberal news network in the USA is criticizing the most conservative news network in the USA.  That is just amazing!   ::)

FYI, I looked up the media rating on both MSNBC and Fox News and they are pretty much similar, so this is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.  (Click on links to see media ratings.)

You, personally Bernard, cant criticize Fox News while at the same time referencing MSNBC as proof.  It is a fool's argument.

Furthermore, MSNBC is equally as guilty as distorting what Dr. Fauci is saying.  Fauci has repeatably said he is not taking into account the economic fall out caused by the lock down nor any deaths which will be a direct result of the lock downs (like from delayed cancer treatments LesPalenik is constantly point out.)  He has said that he is only giving advice on the virus, and that his advice needs to be weighed with other advice from other professionals as well.  This was the point Rand Paul was making during the hearing, and Fauci largely agreed with him. 

However, many left leaning news sources keep on insisting that we only listen to the medical experts on re-opening, even though they will be overly cautious.  It would be like asking medical experts in 1941 how we should respond to Japan bombing Pearl Harbor.  Well, medical experts are about saving lives and going to war will cost people their lives, so it would be expected they would advise against the war. 

This is not an acceptable response, just like continuing this lock down any longer is not acceptable. 

Meanwhile, if you really want to criticize a news network, look nor further then CNN. 

Social media storm erupts after CNN puts Greta Thunberg on coronavirus panel: report  (I know, it's a Fox News link, but you can verify this elsewhere, CNN is even proud of this.)

Even though I believe climate change is a problem we need to solve, I never thought listening to a 17 year old brat who's only redeemable trait is yelling at adults on the subject was a good idea.  It is an even worse idea to do so when the talk is about C-19. 

CNN is a joke.

Exactly as I predicted... no interest whatsoever for the content of what is being said nor its reality.

Instead a preconceived idea about what the media stands for and judging by that alone.

Cheers,
Bernard

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« Reply #4356 on: May 14, 2020, 08:53:34 am »

Exactly as I predicted... no interest whatsoever for the content of what is being said nor its reality.

Instead a preconceived idea about what the media stands for and judging by that alone.

Cheers,
Bernard

Cable news is not news.  They're political opinion shows.  They're not journalism although many people get their news from them only.  So they're just as biased as the programs. 

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« Reply #4357 on: May 14, 2020, 08:54:19 am »

So Biden was part of the Obama spy network tapping Trump's phone.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/497687-paul-claims-biden-caught-red-handed-eavesdropping-on-flynn

Good job finding the wingnut outrage du jour!
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« Reply #4358 on: May 14, 2020, 09:02:29 am »

Thanks for the link, Bernard

Good discussion / report and also many spot-on comments.
One of the comments: "I've lost two friends to the virus, and another who called it a hoax, has now tested positive. I asked if he still thought it was a hoax. He hung up on me."

Just a simple question.  You watched the piece linked by Bernard, so did I.  Can you tell me exactly what comments by Fox news opinion talkers ( and lets be frank here, the MSNBC video  is also an opinion piece) were benig taken to task?  The answer of course, is you have no clue at all...unless you watched the actual video for the Fox hosts in question.  And I doubt you did.

So what are you actually commenting on here?
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« Reply #4359 on: May 14, 2020, 09:04:54 am »

Trump and Boris used to think it was a hoax. Bolsonaro still does, calling it a "minor flu". And yet, the guy was already tested 5 times under different aliases. I think he is even more ignorant and incompetent than Trump, something quite difficult.

Please, show us all where you can find that Trump thinks the virus is a hoax.  Continuing the lie only makes you look silly.
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