PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political

[James Clark]

And Cuomo, Whitmer, Newsom.

Ok. So you meant to say, "...the Democratic and Republican governors..."

Cool.

[Robert Roaldi]

Well he has you wondering.  Mission accomplished.

Why would it be his mission to confuse people? What would the purpose of doing that?

[JoeKitchen]

Ok. So you meant to say, "...the Democratic and Republican governors..."

Cool.

Sure, but it is not the republicans governors out for blood. 

[chez]

Well when he said that he is in controll of everything, those governors (and the media) went nuts and insisted he is not in control of everything, that it is the governors.

Sorry, but you cant demand that you are in control of your state and only take responsibility for the positives and insist Trump be responsible for the deaths.

So then Trump is a lame duck.

[chez]

"I'm in control of EVERYTHING.  I have ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY"

"No you don't"

"I'm in control of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  I take ZERO RESPONSIBILITY."

Make perfect sense.  Also, don't be such a linear thinker.

Trump is in full control only if the outcome is positive...otherwise he turns coward and denies everything and points fingers in multiple directions.

[chez]

Why would it be his mission to confuse people? What would the purpose of doing that?

Robert, it's not on purpose. Trump is just a confused fool.

[JoeKitchen]

So then Trump is a lame duck.

Sure, why not. 

Are you going to pull out the pitch forks and scythes and go after the governors now? 

[Alan Klein]

Trump is in full control only if the outcome is positive...otherwise he turns coward and denies everything and points fingers in multiple directions.

Sounds like he's learning how to be a politician like the rest of them.

[chez]

Sounds like he's learning how to be a politician like the rest of them.

Unfortunately in tough times you need leaders, not politicians.

[Alan Klein]

Unfortunately in tough times you need leaders, not politicians.

You mean like Joe Biden?

[JoeKitchen]

You mean like Joe Biden?

I am pretty certain at this time, with the Dems continuing to fight reopening (especially the media wing of the Democratic party, the press) purely as a knee jerk reaction to Trump, the overall tide is starting to turn on the Dems.  They are over playing their hand with this "if you want to open up you don't care about human life" talking point. 

They are insisting that the re-opening is about rich people getting richer, but in reality it is about poor people who need money and cant get it because the states are overwhelmed.  It is about everyday people wanting to get back to work, and, just like Hillary regarded these people as deplorables, the Democratic party is doing the same thing now. 

As more republican governors open up and no severe increase in C-19 fatalities are reported, which I am positive will be the case, more and more democratic constituents in blue states are going to rethink their party allegiance. 

This is starting just starting to backfire on the Dems; I can feel it.  Just like with everything else they have played in the last four years, this is going to blow up in their faces. 

[BernardLanguillier]

I'm not confused.  My guess is the bulk of Republicnas are not confused. Is anyone left that matters?   

How is this not the time when you admit that whatever Trump does or says you will always show unconditional support?

Regards,
Bernard

[Craig Lamson]

I'm not sure that's a good thing as Trump seems confused most of the time...changing his directions as weeble wobble but they don't fall down.

Everyone changes directions as new data become available or they are convinced otherwise. 

[Craig Lamson]

Why would it be his mission to confuse people? What would the purpose of doing that?

Most Democrats are not really confused, they are simply infected with the OMB virus.  That pandemic started in 2015

[JoeKitchen]

How is this not the time when you admit that whatever Trump does or says you will always show unconditional support?

Regards,
Bernard

It is not unconditional support Bernard, but support because the elite (in both parties but mainly in the Dems) have been wrong for the last 20 years and continue to be wrong.  Trump is not right on all of the issues, but he has been right many more times then his opponents. 

Even with this outbreak, Trump shut down air travel, twice, and was criticized, twice, for doing so.  He asked the country to shut down, and Cuomo, the new leader of the Dems, waited 8 full days to comply. 

This is just proving he was right on China all those years. 

This is proving he was right on border security all those years. 

There is no unconditional support, only support given the severe lack of credibility of his opponents and Joe Biden is one of the biggest simpletons amongst his opponents.  It's an easy choice.  Biden cant even string two sentence together while getting all of the rest he needs during this time.

The Dems made it way too easy to re-elect Trump. 

[Craig Lamson]

Robert, it's not on purpose. Trump is just a confused fool.

And yet he's the President of the United States.  Beat the smartest woman in the world, and every Republican primary candidate.

Not as foolish as you think.

[BernardLanguillier]

That's not what you've been saying.  You have been telling everyone they should stay home.  Page after page after page.  Using guilt to instill fear in them. Now, because the whole world is ignoring your beliefs, and opening up, you're backing off your position.  You're trying to make it seem that you're in favor of opening up.  That's not what you've been preaching.  Like Trump, you now deny that you said things that you said.

Alan,

You either have not read or understood me well, are confusing me with somebody else or are so deeply buried in your black and white world that you have forgotten that grey exists.

I have been 100% consistent. Reopen when you can without endangering the life of an unreasonably high number of people. As I said before, the guidelines defined by Trump’s administration are not super clear but they are good enough. In case you have forgotten it calls for a two weeks consecutive downward trend before reopening. This was not invented by Democrats. Trump’s own team published them. The same task force Trump is now saying must continue forever.

These same guidelines Trump has been encouraging people not to follow...

In the meantime people who can work remotely continue to do so. Those who cannot, those who work in jobs where social distancing is impossible to enforce and were not in a position to save enough money to go through such times should stay home as much as they can and get social help from the government.

When you call for a reopening not following these guidelines you are showing that you put your Trump bigotry and principles for non State intervention ahead of the value of people’s lives.

Cheers,
Bernard

[Craig Lamson]

It is not unconditional support Bernard, but support because the elite (in both parties but mainly in the Dems) have been wrong for the last 20 years and continue to be wrong.  Trump is not right on all of the issues, but he has been right many more times then his opponents. 

Even with this outbreak, Trump shut down air travel, twice, and was criticized, twice, for doing so.  He asked the country to shut down, and Cuomo, the new leader of the Dems, waited 8 full days to comply. 

This is just proving he was right on China all those years. 

This is proving he was right on border security all those years. 

There is no unconditional support, only support given the severe lack of credibility of his opponents and Joe Biden is one of the biggest simpletons amongst his opponents.  It's an easy choice.

Bernard simply does not understand American politics and why people support Trump over the rest of those who ran and are now running.  Nothing about supporting Trump is unconditional.

[BernardLanguillier]

Everyone changes directions as new data become available or they are convinced otherwise.

Oh yes, that’s reasonable.

How is this applicable to the constant change of heart and total inconsistency of messaging Trump is displaying?

And why do you think those are ok for a President?

In private companies a manager of even a small team of say 10 to 20 people showing half of such an inconsistency of messaging with such regularity would be pushed aside within a year no questions asked. And I know exactly what I am talking about.

Regards,
Bernard

[BernardLanguillier]

Bernard simply does not understand American politics and why people supprt Trump over the rest of those who ran and are now running.  Nothing about supporting Trump is unconditional.

Really?

It certainly looks very different.

Perhaps you may want to answer the questions asked previously about the reason(s) for your only apparently unconditional support then?

Because I have never seen you display the slightest disagreement or criticism of his deeds and declarations.

He says A you support him, he says non A you still support him. He says A and non A within hours you see no inconsistency,... what exactly would he have to do or say for you to publicly express non support?

What is the line he would have to cross? What are the principles he would have to violate?

If it is not unconditional then what is the condition?

Is the condition that his opponent is not a Democrat?

Because if that is the case then this condition will never be met, which means that your support in indeed unconditional.

Not sure why... I have an intuition that you will never provide a fair answer to these fair questions... 

Cheers,
Bernard