PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political

[Alan Klein]

So while the US government is getting ready to bail out and pump our blood into the zombie airline companies, Warren Buffett has other ideas and sold his $4 billion dollar interest stake in them.

Buffett says he dumped entire stake in airline-sector stocks: ‘The world changed for airlines’ amid coronavirus
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/buffett-dumps-entire-airline-stake-saying-the-world-changed-for-airlines-2020-05-02

[chez]

Imagine the outrage when we start demanding that people wear pants into stores and restaurants.  Mass carnage is the only possible outcome.

And can you imagine if everyone is asked to stop at a red light and drive on the right hand side of the road. I think I'd even get a gun and start shooting. Talk about stealing away our liberties.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Larger number is based on realtime-ish reporting.  Smaller number is based on official death certification, and lags.

Your assumptions or it says so somewhere?

Also, realtime-ish is probably still an estimate, and includes deaths that are only assumed to be from C19, without actual testing.

[Craig Lamson]

Except that you said:

Look again Maroon and TRY to follow the context.  I know its mostly beyond your ken but try anyway. Then again maybe you just can't.

[Craig Lamson]

That doesn't answer my question.

Of course not. And once again you are unable to follow the context.  Big surprise.

[John Camp]

Your assumptions or it says so somewhere?

Also, realtime-ish is probably still an estimate, and includes deaths that are only assumed to be from C19, without actual testing.

I don't know the answer to your first question, but I think your second comment is correct, that it's an estimate, and probably not a particularly good one. Most medical sources seem to believe that the total is higher than the real-time estimates, which are mostly (not all) based on hospital deaths, and often don't include at-home deaths of the elderly. Also, because there are not enough tests for living people, dead people are often not tested at all. There is a legitimate question that if an old person croaks at home,  even if he/she has Covid-19, did the virus do it or simply old age? Eventually, I think, when we get rid of the Trump appointees and ass-kissers, we'll have a newly objective CDC to come up with a rough estimate of how many people the virus actually killed in the US. It will be about as accurate as the flu-death estimates' and it will be large, and it will also be nit-picked forever by whatever political agency sees some benefit in doing that.



 

[James Clark]

Your assumptions or it says so somewhere?

Also, realtime-ish is probably still an estimate, and includes deaths that are only assumed to be from C19, without actual testing.

Q1:  A little of both.  My assumption based on what a public health pro told me is written in the fine print of the CDC stats webpages

Q2: Yes, probably, and I believe further subject to how individual state/local reporting agencies are required to quantify/verify preliminary reporting.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Look again Maroon ...

My English may not be good enough to understand the nuances of that term, but it seems to me as a personal insult. If so, I would kindly suggest to you and everyone else to refrain from personal insults.

I am aware that we are using collective insults (sheeple, covidiots, Democraps, etc.), which also borders on impolite, but at least we can refrain from direct personal insults.

[Craig Lamson]

Imagine the outrage when we start demanding that people wear pants into stores and restaurants.  Mass carnage is the only possible outcome.

Looks like a couple of black gang bangers from the reports I have seen.  Is anyone suprised?  More 'feral youth" perhaps. 

[Craig Lamson]

My English may not be good enough to understand the nuances of that term, but it seems to me as a personal insult. If so, I would kindly suggest to you and everyone else to refrain from personal insults.

I am aware that we are using collective insults (sheeple, covidiots, Democraps, etc.), which also borders on impolite, but at least we can refrain from direct personal insults.

The personal insult restraint got tossed a long time ago in this thread.

[James Clark]

Looks like a couple of black gang bangers from the reports I have seen.  Is anyone suprised?  More 'feral youth" perhaps.

Am I surprised that anyone thinks being asked to wear a mask into a public place thinks that’s a reason to go all Patrick Henry?  Yep.  Sure am.

[Craig Lamson]

Am I surprised that anyone thinks being asked to wear a mask into a public place thinks that’s a reason to go all Patrick Henry?  Yep.  Sure am.

Given the location and the description of the perps I'm not suprised at all.  A security guard tells a patron they can't shop without a mask,  Patron gets irate and spits on guard. Later patrons husband and a 23 year old friend return to the store.  Husband berates guard.  23yo yut pulls out gun and shoots guard in the head.  Sounds like daily life in the hood to me.  And people wonder why some folks would like to have a firearm for personal protection.  It won't work all the time but it does sometimes.  I wonder if drugs are involved?


Flint named sixth most violent city in United States 2018)
https://www.abc12.com/content/news/Flint-named-sixth-most-violent-city-in-United-States-494184821.html

[BernardLanguillier]

Interesting stats. 

Germany is touted as doing a great job with covid.  They have a population of about 90 million. Rounded upward current numbers are 165K cases and 7,000 deaths.

If we take the three largest States in the US, Calfornia, Texas and Florida and combine them we get a population of around 90 million.

With the same rounding, Calif has 55K cases and 2300 deaths.  Texas has 32K cases and 900 deaths. Florida has 36K cases and 1400 deaths. 

Totaled:  123K cases and 4600 deaths.

So how does that compare to the "gold standard", Germany?

Interesting numbers.

Now how do you explain the 63,000 additional casualties in the rest of the country? Are they all to blame on the Democrat mayor of NY?

Do you not think that a significant part of these could have been avoided had the right measures been taken faster? Had the President done his job of protecting the life of his citizens instead of prioritizing non measures he - by misjudgment as it will turn out - thought would optimize his chances of being re-elected?

I am really puzzled that you fail to admit that even today. It makes me wonder about your values, how you got to this point of looking at things that way. I can understand why you hate the opponents of Trump but I would be really interested in a genuine explanation of your motivation to keep supporting him against all odds.

Those are two genuine questions to a person smart enough to be able to tell who is the smartest.

Cheers,
Bernard

[BernardLanguillier]

Given the location and the description of the perps I'm not suprised at all.  A security guard tells a patron they can't shop without a mask,  Patron gets irate and spits on guard. Later patrons husband and a 23 year old friend return to the store.  Husband berates guard.  23yo yut pulls out gun and shoots guard in the head.  Sounds like daily life in the hood to me.  And people wonder why some folks would like to have a firearm for personal protection.  It won't work all the time but it does sometimes.

Would the need to have a firearm for personal protection not have been eliminated had the attaquant not had had easy access to a gun in the first place?

Isn’t the very thought that using a gun is a reasonable way to settle such disputes the very results of easy access to guns as part of a gun culture?

Regards,
Bernard

[elliot_n]

These guys have just updated their Covid death projections (they update every few days). This morning they were projecting 72,000 US deaths, now it's 135,000. (This is the first wave, up to 4 August.)

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

(Yes, the US does currently have better numbers than Europe, but I suspect that is about to change, ℅ 'Opening Up America Again'. But the UK will give you a good run for your money, as our lockdown has been as soft as yours.)

[Peter McLennan]

My English may not be good enough to understand the nuances of that term, but it seems to me as a personal insult. If so, I would kindly suggest to you and everyone else to refrain from personal insults.

I am aware that we are using collective insults (sheeple, covidiots, Democraps, etc.), which also borders on impolite, but at least we can refrain from direct personal insults.

Thank you.

[John Camp]

My English may not be good enough to understand the nuances of that term, but it seems to me as a personal insult. If so, I would kindly suggest to you and everyone else to refrain from personal insults.

I am aware that we are using collective insults (sheeple, covidiots, Democraps, etc.), which also borders on impolite, but at least we can refrain from direct personal insults.

+1

Maroon is a supposedly humorous version of "moron" and is a direct personal insult; oddly enough (and seriously) traces back Bugs Bunny.

[Craig Lamson]

+1

Maroon is a supposedly humorous version of "moron" and is a direct personal insult; oddly enough (and seriously) traces back Bugs Bunny.

Wow, Camp, figured out how to use duck duck go....

[Alan Klein]

Interesting numbers.

Now how do you explain the 63,000 additional casualties in the rest of the country? Are they all to blame on the Democrat mayor of NY?

Do you not think that a significant part of these could have been avoided had the right measures been taken faster? Had the President done his job of protecting the life of his citizens instead of prioritizing non measures he - by misjudgment as it will turn out - thought would optimize his chances of being re-elected?

I am really puzzled that you fail to admit that even today. It makes me wonder about your values, how you got to this point of looking at things that way. I can understand why you hate the opponents of Trump but I would be really interested in a genuine explanation of your motivation to keep supporting him against all odds.

Those are two genuine questions to a person smart enough to be able to tell who is the smartest.

Cheers,
Bernard

We've gone over this a thousand times.  If we knew then what we know now is a refrain we can all ask about everything in our lives.  A president is not going to shut down the largest economy in the world because a couple of people died.  Even if he got info that it might be very bad, he's going to wait to see what happens.  Maybe the advice is wrong.  It wouldn't be the first time.   You don't tell 30 million people they're going to lose their jobs because some medical "expert" whispers something in your ear.  Even now, people are reopening up the economy even though they're being told it very dangerous to do so.  The fact is, feeding your family is important as the issues regarding the virus.  Of course you hate Trump, so you bring up this point every other post.  We get it. 

[chez]

We've gone over this a thousand times.  If we knew then what we know now is a refrain we can all ask about everything in our lives.  A president is not going to shut down the largest economy in the world because a couple of people died.  Even if he got info that it might be very bad, he's going to wait to see what happens.  Maybe the advice is wrong.  It wouldn't be the first time.   You don't tell 30 million people they're going to lose their jobs because some medical "expert" whispers something in your ear.  Even now, people are reopening up the economy even though they're being told it very dangerous to do so.  The fact is, feeding your family is important as the issues regarding the virus.  Of course you hate Trump, so you bring up this point every other post.  We get it.

I thought it was the individual states that shutdown and open up the economy. Trump has nothing to do with that...at least that's what you said before.