PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political

[armand]

And you expect the president to know these things?  Heck, I don't know what you're talking about.  That's why he motioned to the doctors with him when he raised his point.  That it would be something they could have science investigate.  He was being his old optimistic self, congratulating his people for the news about how infrared, UV and antiseptics kill viruses and hoping these things could save people.  If the press put it in that context, we'd all be looking at it differently.  But they twist everything into a negative just as you're doing now.

That's why he shouldn't talk about things that he doesn't know. Especially in an official setting, now he has the entire world laughing at him, and no, most of the outside world is not in the democrats' pocket.
Not to mention that when you are in the position that he is, he should be more self-conscious about he says: https://www.newsweek.com/after-trumps-disinfectant-comments-calls-poison-control-centers-spike-new-york-michigan-1500294

[Craig Lamson]

Well, to be fair, there never has been just one subject in this thread.

Well there was one on the recent posts.

[Alan Klein]

That's why he shouldn't talk about things that he doesn't know. Especially in an official setting, now he has the entire world laughing at him, and no, most of the outside world is not in the democrats' pocket.
Not to mention that when you are in the position that he is, he should be more self-conscious about he says: https://www.newsweek.com/after-trumps-disinfectant-comments-calls-poison-control-centers-spike-new-york-michigan-1500294

The anti-Trump media reported it in a way to damage him. So yeah, that's what most people heard.  But if you listened to the news conference in total, you would have gotten a different impression.  Fake news has been going on for 4 1/2 years against Trump.  They would never do that with Biden.  Look how they're protecting him regarding his senility?  Look how they're downplaying the new charges and evidence against him for sexual abuse? 

[Craig Lamson]

Knowing back in Jan / Feb timeframe this virus is serious, how do you think the US handled this?

Pretty much like every other country in the world, other than a few Asian countries,  and in pretty much the same time frame.

[LesPalenik]

And you expect the president to know these things? Heck, I don't know what you're talking about.  That's why he motioned to the doctors with him when he raised his point.  That it would be something they could have science investigate.  He was being his old optimistic self, congratulating his people for the news about how infrared, UV and antiseptics kill viruses and hoping these things could save people.  If the press put it in that context, we'd all be looking at it differently.  But they twist everything into a negative just as you're doing now.

I don't expect him to know all these things, but he thinks he knows everything. Even better than the experts.

[chez]

No different than the rest of the world initially.  Then we got stuff moving pretty well.  PPE is no linger an issue except for regular people getting it like me.  America's medical and research community is working hard to relieve the effects of the virus and find a vaccine.  Even our forum friend Alan Goldhammer is working on it.   I'm pinning my hopes on a topical antiseptic.  But I think I'm in a minority there.    Going forward is a great experiment with 50 states individually moving at their own pace.  Some states will do very well and others very bad.  But we'll learn a lot for the future from their mistakes and successes.

So you feel your initial response was pretty good. What I recall is there were not testing going on at all...or very little. I get the Seattle news and it was chaos with medical staff pleading for more testing. You see a different picture than I do.

[Alan Klein]

I don't expect him to know all these things, but he thinks he knows everything. Even better than the experts.

That's not true Les.  He's pretty much followed what his scientists have told him.  He's anxious to open the country for business.  But he's held back.  With a tip of his hat to the constitution, he's even allowing the governors of the fifty states run the show in their sovereign jurisdictions.  He's smart enough to not get involved with that mess except to tell them to be cautious and hurry up at the same time.  So see, he's learned how to act like a politician too.  Recommend all positions and let others make all the decisions. That way he can take credit for all the successes and blame other for all the mistakes.  Four years in DC has taught him a thing or two. 

[chez]

The anti-Trump media reported it in a way to damage him. So yeah, that's what most people heard.  But if you listened to the news conference in total, you would have gotten a different impression.  Fake news has been going on for 4 1/2 years against Trump.  They would never do that with Biden.  Look how they're protecting him regarding his senility?  Look how they're downplaying the new charges and evidence against him for sexual abuse?

I watched the entire new conference and he looked like a Buffoon, talking about things he had no clue about...all on national TV for his nation to view.

You think maybe he could have asked that stupid question privately to his medical staff rather than looking like an idiot to the world?

[BobShaw]

Pretty much like every other country in the world (handled Covid), other than a few Asian countries,  and in pretty much the same time frame.

Interesting that the rest of the world sees it different.
Of the top 6 countries for deaths, none are Asian.
The country coming first has more deaths than the next 5 put together, which are all in Europe.
Total deaths in all of Asia (admittedly questionable) is 17,000.

[Alan Klein]

So you feel your initial response was pretty good. What I recall is there were not testing going on at all...or very little. I get the Seattle news and it was chaos with medical staff pleading for more testing. You see a different picture than I do.

Seattle should have asked their governor why their state of Washington wasn't prepared with equipment their hospitals needed.  The Federal government had equipment in the national defense storage unit.  But it was';t in sufficient quantities for this pandemic.  It's never happened before.  Sure the Trump administation could have asked for more.  But neither did any previous administration.  Everyone though there was enough.  Remember , it's Congress that legislates the budget and things the government buys.  So everyone was happy with the current situation.

When Trump acted early on Jan 31 to close off Chinese from entering the country, Biden, Democrats and other anti-Trump people called him a racist and xenophobe.  So Biden, his competitor for president in 2021, was even slower on the draw.  He wanted to do less. 

Trump isn't running against himself.  Just like with Hillary, there's an opponent that people have to compare him too.  Of course, you want to make it a decision on Trump.  That might work.  I don't know.  We'll see.  But when people go to vote, normally they have to compare two candidates.  So the question will be, can Biden have done better?  Is he capable of running America better than Trump?  We'll find out soon.  Frankly, this is Trump's national skating rink test, where he proved himself in NYC outperforming the City's negligence and inability to get things done in a timely basis.  If he can beat the virus and get the economy going, he'll be re-elected. 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/offwhitepapers/2015/08/24/donald-trump-and-the-wollman-rinking-of-american-politics/#f9dd32d2fc81

[Alan Klein]

Interesting that the rest of the world sees it different.
Of the top 6 countries for deaths, none are Asian.
The country coming first has more deaths than the next 5 put together, which are all in Europe.
Total deaths in all of Asia (admittedly questionable) is 17,000.

That's what Craig said.  You're confirming his post.

Regarding the US deaths, America is the third most populated country in the world. So naturally they would have high deaths comparably.  Additional, 45% of the deaths in America are in the NYC area.  NYC gets 60 million visitors from around the world annually.  During the period in question, almost half a million Chinese nationals visited NYC.  No wonder it had such a high rate of infection and deaths. 

[LesPalenik]

Regarding the US deaths, America is the third most populated country in the world. So naturally they would have high deaths comparably.  Additional, 45% of the deaths in America are in the NYC area.  NYC gets 60 million visitors from around the world annually.  During the period in question, almost half a million Chinese nationals visited NYC.  No wonder it had such a high rate of infection and deaths.

Today infections and fatalities both in USA and worldwide were noticeably lower than in the last few days.
Either the social distancing works, or they don' count all cases on Sundays. We'll see tomorrow.

[degrub]

I believe it was mentioned earlier or in AG’s newsletter, that weekend counts get caught up on Monday.
So should be the routine reporting lag from the totalers not working all weekend.

[Alan Klein]

Today infections and fatalities both in USA and worldwide were noticeably lower than in the last few days.
Either the social distancing works, or they don' count all cases on Sundays. We'll see tomorrow.

Well, even though it's Sunday, I've been social distancing.  My wife hasn't come within 6 feet of me all day. 

[BernardLanguillier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSNZnlEL1uY

A great message from Obama.

Like it or not, I think that this is what America is about.

Cheers,
Bernard

[Paulo Bizarro]

Pretty much like every other country in the world, other than a few Asian countries,  and in pretty much the same time frame.

As of yesterday, taken from the daily report on a Portuguese newspaper. On the top - 7 days average of cases versus number of days after 100th case. On the bottom - number of deaths per day, versus days after 10th death.

USA curve is the higher one on both plots, Portugal in black. It is clear that several countries could have acted sooner, based on the information available first from China, and then from Italy.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSNZnlEL1uY

Like it or not, I think that this is what America is about.

For the millionth time, posting links without explanation or warning that I will be exposed to a moron is a breach of forum etiquette.

[BernardLanguillier]

For the millionth time, posting links without explanation or warning that I will be exposed to a moron is a breach of forum etiquette.

Apologies, I have added a short description.

I don't see what can be considered moronic about Obama. Or at least if he is a moron then multiply that by a factor about 50 for Trump.

He is a super bright guy, a brilliant communicator that conveys totally sensible messages. You may not agree with his ideas, but at least have the decency to respect the man.

Cheers,
Bernard

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... he should be more self-conscious about he says...

Shouldn't the media be more responsible for how they are twisting his words?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... He is a super bright guy, a brilliant communicator...

That just makes him a super sleek snake-oil salesman. And more dangerous.

I obviously think Hussein is the worst president in my lifetime, and Trump the best.