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JoeKitchen

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2000 on: April 18, 2020, 09:44:51 pm »

I think the majority of the Covidiots on the Florida beaches were not floridians...but from all parts of the USA and Canada.

What's your point? 

We were all told if we did not lock down, this would spread like wild fire, including in FL.  But it has not. 

FL if a counter example that the theories are wrong. 
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« Reply #2001 on: April 18, 2020, 10:09:44 pm »

If we actually knew what we thought we did about this virus, FL would be over run.  We need to start rethinking how we are handingly this .

This has nothing to do with what I just said.

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« Reply #2002 on: April 18, 2020, 10:22:03 pm »

Food prices going up.


World's largest pork producer closes three U.S. plants

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj0M-0QsUmo

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« Reply #2003 on: April 18, 2020, 10:24:02 pm »

There are several reasons I won't engage in a lengthy response:

1. It is 2am in my location

We can wait.  Reasoned argument and clear communication takes time.

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2. As I said, everything John stated are tired tropes about Trump that have been rehashed in these forums ad nauseum


So, you simply choose to ignore what you call "tired tropes" and what we call facts?  I thought you said that this forum was about discussion.

Your reluctance to address the above-listed items is telling.

 

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2004 on: April 18, 2020, 10:25:04 pm »

On the other hand,

Some gas prices drop under a dollar per gallon due to coronavirus
https://nypost.com/2020/04/18/some-gas-prices-drop-under-a-dollar-per-gallon-due-to-coronavirus/

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« Reply #2005 on: April 18, 2020, 10:26:36 pm »

We can wait.  Reasoned argument and clear communication takes time.


So, you simply choose to ignore what you call "tired tropes" and what we call facts?  I thought you said that this forum was about discussion.

Your reluctance to address the above-listed items is telling.

 


Why don't you let the guy get some sleep?  :)

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« Reply #2006 on: April 18, 2020, 10:36:20 pm »

Food prices going up.
World's largest pork producer closes three U.S. plants

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj0M-0QsUmo

This is what I get  "Video not available in your country". Can you give us a short summary?
Why did they close the pork plants? Not enough interest in pork or because of its association with flu viruses? Maybe it's time to switch to a healthy food.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2007 on: April 18, 2020, 10:44:30 pm »

This has nothing to do with what I just said.

Maybe, I just kind of hit reply and went at it. 

It was Zoom happy hour with the family. 
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« Reply #2008 on: April 18, 2020, 10:46:37 pm »

This is what I get  "Video not available in your country". Can you give us a short summary?
Why did they close the pork plants? Not enough interest in pork or because of its association with flu viruses? Maybe it's time to switch to a healthy food.

I really don't know what it is with chicken, but that shit has been selling out left and right. 

Beef and pork has been on the shelves the entire time here. 

Right now though I am just hoping to get a White Truffle.  I want to make some Gouda and Gruyere truffle cheese. 
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« Reply #2009 on: April 18, 2020, 10:57:32 pm »

This is what I get  "Video not available in your country". Can you give us a short summary?
Why did they close the pork plants? Not enough interest in pork or because of its association with flu viruses? Maybe it's time to switch to a healthy food.
Coronavirus in plants forced shutdowns.  With less pork products available, other foods will go up as well: steak, fish, etc. 

Just read that white collar workers are starting to be hit like blue collar and service workers before them. The whole economy's going to tank.  The US government is going to try to bail everyone out to no avail.  Just pumping more money into a declining productive economy.  Prices will skyrocket. Usually when jobs are lost you can go into depression, where prices drop like a rock.  But because the government is printing, prices will go up while productivity and jobs go down like in the 1970's when we had "stagflation" and prices went up 55%.  This is going to be a repeat, only worse.  Less jobs higher prices.  At least then there was no disease to contend with.  This is a fiasco.  Pray the virus dies out on its own. 

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2010 on: April 18, 2020, 10:58:43 pm »

This is what I get  "Video not available in your country". Can you give us a short summary?
Why did they close the pork plants? Not enough interest in pork or because of its association with flu viruses? Maybe it's time to switch to a healthy food.

It started with the largest pork packing plant in America, where it turned out that some 600 people had the virus and the plant had to close. This was in a state (South Dakota) where the governor had refused to close anything, so the virus was spreading like wildfire. Later, two more plants in other states had to close for the same reasons. I think I read somewhere that the plants produced something like half of all the pork produced in the US.

I can't resist the temptation to feed Alan's paranoia. I know it's cruel:

"Founded in Smithfield, Virginia in 1936, Smithfield Foods boasts more than 40,000 U.S. employees with nearly 50 facilities across the country. In 2013, WH Group (formerly known as Shuanghui International Holdings) purchased Smithfield for $4.7 billion; including debt, the deal valued the firm at $7.1 billion, then the largest acquisition of a U.S. company by a Chinese business. WH Group went public on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange a year later, and furthered its American presence by buying Clougherty Packing, California's largest pork processor, in 2017."




 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #2011 on: April 18, 2020, 11:00:27 pm »

I really don't know what it is with chicken, but that shit has been selling out left and right. 

Beef and pork has been on the shelves the entire time here. 

Right now though I am just hoping to get a White Truffle.  I want to make some Gouda and Gruyere truffle cheese. 
Chicken is cheap.  So far.

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« Reply #2012 on: April 18, 2020, 11:02:24 pm »

We were all told if we did not lock down, this would spread like wild fire, including in FL.  But it has not. 
Timestamp this and come back in two weeks.

I have been away a day or so. Has anything happened in the last 30 pages?
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« Reply #2013 on: April 18, 2020, 11:03:14 pm »

It started with the largest pork packing plant in America, where it turned out that some 600 people had the virus and the plant had to close. This was in a state (South Dakota) where the governor had refused to close anything, so the virus was spreading like wildfire. Later, two more plants in other states had to close for the same reasons. I think I read somewhere that the plants produced something like half of all the pork produced in the US.

I can't resist the temptation to feed Alan's paranoia. I know it's cruel:

"Founded in Smithfield, Virginia in 1936, Smithfield Foods boasts more than 40,000 U.S. employees with nearly 50 facilities across the country. In 2013, WH Group (formerly known as Shuanghui International Holdings) purchased Smithfield for $4.7 billion; including debt, the deal valued the firm at $7.1 billion, then the largest acquisition of a U.S. company by a Chinese business. WH Group went public on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange a year later, and furthered its American presence by buying Clougherty Packing, California's largest pork processor, in 2017."




 
Maybe they'll change the name from Smithfield Pork to Wing Fat Bat Processing Plant. 

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« Reply #2014 on: April 18, 2020, 11:04:47 pm »

Timestamp this and come back in two weeks.

I have been away day or so. Has anything happened in the last 30 pages?

Nah.  Skip reading it.  A waste of time.  It'll all be repeated in the next page or two.

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« Reply #2015 on: April 18, 2020, 11:05:41 pm »

Some of ou guys are engaged in "panic porn," as Bill Maher rightly calls it. You are peddling fear mongering, by tripping over each other who is going to come up with the most ridiculous statistical manipulation to support your doom & gloom narrative. You are, willingly or not, helping the world-wide phenomenon of rising totalitarianism and police state. Police world-wide are beating or arresting curfew breakers, including pensioners. U.K. police are threatening to check your cart in supermarkets to see if all the articles are "essential," and to set up roadblocks to see if your trip is "essential." In Michigan, family members can not visit each other. This is fascism rising. The usual suspect and wanna-be little dictators all over the world, including Democratic governors in the States, are conducting dry runs to see just how much harassment the population can withstand and what is the best way to control masses: ankle bracelets, house arrests, tracing, phone monitoring. Every totalitarians wet dream is coming true in front of us, and some of you are even cheering it.

Statists always use confusion and danger as a time to institute control.   It's like adrenalin and vitamins for them.  People who are smart otherwise, go along because they're afraid.  So they give up rights for protection.  Old as history.  You've been there before.

And that is the crux of the matter: we see things differently. We are not a part of the "mass of stupid people." Most of us are highly educated (e.g., I have an advanced degree from an American university, for instance). We just see things differently and are quite capable to defend our views logically, factually, intellectually.

It is a pity that smart, educated people with different worldviews are so easily dismissed as stupid.

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« Reply #2016 on: April 18, 2020, 11:06:03 pm »

I've been in the States since 2004 and left at the very end of 2019, so I am fully exposed to Trump. I am also a U.S. citizen, i.e., will vote in November from abroad.

Have I understand correctly?  You're 63 years old, naturalised American, living off the state (USA) where you've worked for for the last 15 years, and have now retired to your country of birth. Retired at 63 years ? Not exactly a productive resource ... 63 years !! ROTFL
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« Reply #2017 on: April 18, 2020, 11:06:44 pm »

And that is the crux of the matter: we see things differently. We are not a part of the "mass of stupid people." Most of us are highly educated. We just see things differently and are quite capable to defend our views logically, factually, intellectually.

None of which is self evident.

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« Reply #2018 on: April 18, 2020, 11:12:50 pm »

None of which is self evident.


I know you can do better than insult.  Why don't you give it another shot?

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« Reply #2019 on: April 18, 2020, 11:30:56 pm »

I know you can do better than insult.  Why don't you give it another shot?

Why would you interpret that quote as an insult ? Wise words as applicable to me as they are to anyone.
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