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Peter McLennan

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #720 on: April 13, 2020, 11:23:23 pm »

We're in full campaign mode.  Trump is getting free advertising for his campaign ads. :)   

And you're okay with Trump running a campaign ad at a press conference?

Here's the video.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1249822389061455873

In the above link, you need to scroll down to the title card "While Trump Took Decisive Action".  There are two parts to the video.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #721 on: April 13, 2020, 11:30:22 pm »

Some of the experts saw the 2008-09 crash coming. And they made a lot of money at it. If you haven't seen it yet, watch the movie "The Big Short." Some --quite a few, actually -- saw the pandemic coming, and issued warnings.

I will have to say that despite my acknowledged belief that Trump is a buffoon, a dunce and a dullard, a twit, a prat and an avaricious crook, a proto-fascist and a sinner of the first water, who richly deserves to go to hell (for those of you who believe in such a place) and who should be required by law to wear a pair of Clown Shoes so everybody who meets him will know what they're dealing with...Despite that, I would have to disagree with chez about this puppet thing -- what set of crazy morons could be pulling his strings to get him to do what he's done? Nope, he's done it all on his own (and relying on his gut, of course, which is easily his most substantial asset.)

That aside, I've also seen the reports that Alan is referring to, which hint at a possibly developing problem with food supplies. Meat supplies for sure, which doesn't bother me too much, as I'm a vegetarian, but if everyone who can't have his pork chop at night starts eating my salads, I could have a problem as well. It seems that many different kinds of food processing plants have had to slow down or even stop the processing, because to go full-speed requires lots of people to work in close quarters, and that a number of these plants, quite a few people have gotten sick and some have died. The biggest pork processor in the country is now closed...If we start having food problems, we could see some substantial civil unrest.

As far as reopening is concerned, we're just starting to see a surge of cases here in New Mexico. We're probably at least three to four weeks from a peak -- probably won't see it until sometime in May, or so Alan's experts say. If that's the case, we probably can't start reopening until June. What I hope doesn't happen is that Clown Shoes doesn't order the entire country to open at once, including the places that haven't peaked, so we get another surge of infection. If we reopen, it's going to have to be slow, and in careful stages, and at different times in different parts of the country. And if we don't wait long enough, we'll get another surge anyway.

IMHO. 


Thanks for the explanation of the meat issue at the producers.  It will also just raise the price of food as demand outstripes supply.  What are people going to do who can't afford it?
Regarding reopening the country, Trump has said it's going to be done regionally.  Fauci's agreed.  The federal government cannot force New Mexico to open up their theaters if you don't want too.  Governors like power too.  That's why they're governors.  They like running things, unlike senators and congressmen.  They won't give up their power to the federal government even though they were responsible for not having proper medical supplies as much as the feds were.  But that's another story.

When the economy is back opened, both Trump and the governors want to get credit for doing their jobs.  Let's face it.  They're all responsible anyways.  That's what we're paying them for.  Of course, if it gets screwed up, each side will blame the other and the rest of us will suffer. Isn't that what usually happens?

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #722 on: April 13, 2020, 11:46:32 pm »

And you're okay with Trump spending your taxpayer dollars to produce a campaign ad that was run at a press conference?
I'm only for it if it's my guy.  :)

Every time a president gets up on a stage, walks on to Air Force 1,  or makes a news conference, it's a campaign ad.  And the public pays for it.  That's how politics work. Those in power use their offices to promote themselves.  It's why they usually get easily re-elected.  If they're a liberal, they go on CNN or MSNBC to get free campaign advertising or Fox if they're Republicans. 

Even Kim knows a good photo op when he sees one.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #723 on: April 13, 2020, 11:53:18 pm »

I edited my post. I actually have no idea who paid for the production.  Mea Culpa.

There is a world of difference between a pool camera shot of somebody climbing a set of stairs and this video production.  Notice the music choice.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #724 on: April 14, 2020, 12:00:16 am »

(referring to the Governors)

They are just happy they get to fulfil their wet dream of omnipotent government. Testing the water, how far they can go in controlling the population.

And yet, today Trump said this on TV, live and in colour: “When somebody is the president of the United States, the authority is total.”

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #725 on: April 14, 2020, 12:33:30 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhni0fYpnXI

For Craig:
- Trump has told the world yesterday that he thinks he has total authority over the states in situations like the Covid19. This means that he already had the same total authority a few months ago when he delayed his actions. You claimed that actions were delayed because he couldn't push the States. Now we know that wasn't the case from the mouth of the President himself.

For Joe:
- You are still not afraid of Trump's totalitarian impulses? It seems that for him, he is free to decide what situation gives him total powers... Knowing everything we know, it seems clear that being reelected will carry the same level of priority for him.

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #726 on: April 14, 2020, 12:47:28 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhni0fYpnXI

For Craig:
- Trump has told the world yesterday that he thinks he has total authority over the states in situations like the Covid19. This means that he already had the same total authority a few months ago when he delayed his actions. You claimed that actions were delayed because he couldn't push the States. Now we know that wasn't the case from the mouth of the President himself.

For Joe:
- You are still not afraid of Trump's totalitarian impulses? It seems that for him, he is free to decide what situation gives him total powers... Knowing everything we know, it seems clear that being reelected will carry the same level of priority for him.

Cheers,
Bernard

Bluster for the upcoming election to show the voters he's in charge.  Presidential.

In any case, the constitution limits his power as his Muslim Ban presidential order was overruled and he had to modify it to make it legal.  Roosevelt (FDR) swore he would pack the Supreme COurt to get judges to approve his extra-constitutional authority.  He was brought down a  peg. Obama signed a deal with Iran without Senate approval as treaties are required to be per the constitution.  Look what happened.  America's had a lot more authoritarian presidents than Trump.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #727 on: April 14, 2020, 01:55:27 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhni0fYpnXI

- You are still not afraid of Trump's totalitarian impulses? It seems that for him, he is free to decide what situation gives him total powers... Knowing everything we know, it seems clear that being reelected will carry the same level of priority for him.


I don't really think there's a point to all this discussion. This kind of behavior always gets justified with the timeless classic: "He's talking to his base" or similar (brought to you courtesy of His Base™). Or "the reporter was too confrontational, what do you expect" or whatever.

Then quickly buried under the next chart or something.

Any news of what is Jared doing with "his" federal stockpile? We need to keep an eye on that slimy chicken breast-looking guy with the demon eyes. I don't trust him.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #728 on: April 14, 2020, 03:46:58 am »

But have you started wearing a peacock feather in your hat yet?


The head covering, in my case, is habitually one of two things: bandana or baseball cap, neither of which, sartorially speaking, lends itself gracefully to feathers of any kind.

Life is tough and getting tougher.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #729 on: April 14, 2020, 04:55:06 am »

...For Craig:
- Trump has told the world yesterday that he thinks he has total authority over the states in situations like the Covid19. This means that he already had the same total authority a few months ago when he delayed his actions. You claimed that actions were delayed because he couldn't push the States. Now we know that wasn't the case from the mouth of the President himself.

For Joe:
- You are still not afraid of Trump's totalitarian impulses? It seems that for him, he is free to decide what situation gives him total powers... Knowing everything we know, it seems clear that being reelected will carry the same level of priority for him.

Haha... people have not yet learned the Trump lingo after three years? His style? His negotiation tricks? He trolls governors, and, of course, they took the bait and jumped to defend their prerogatives. Which, of course, shows that for many things Trump has been accused of in handling the C19, he simply didn’t have the constitutional authority. People can’t have it both ways... accuse him of behaving like a dictator pre-C19, then wishing he actually behaves like one during C19.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #731 on: April 14, 2020, 06:02:01 am »

US President Donald Trump at the White House press briefing playing a campaign-style video attacking the media.

The video comprises clips from Trump’s preferred network, Fox News, praising his record on the pandemic. CNN and MSCNB cut away from the briefing, calling the video “propaganda”.  At the rest of the briefing an agitated Trump angrily lashed out at reporters for questioning his response and insisted ‘everything we did was right’ while the media was ‘guilty’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=071YQ5u6Gcg
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #732 on: April 14, 2020, 06:02:16 am »

https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/04/11/hilarity-ensues-liberals-go-gun-shopping/?fbclid=IwAR1m33Pi8Wcgf8BcVHjQVuhufmk3x85PXycyn8CCcR8r67Z14868QdSAM1Y

"Hilarity Ensues When Liberals Go Gun Shopping"

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More than a dozen of these buyers (men and women) actually thought that since they filled out and signed everything, they could just walk out and go home with the firearm. Several actually said they saw how easy it was to buy a gun on TV and why did they have to fill out all these forms.

The majority of these first timers lost their minds when we went through the Ammo Law requirements. Most used language not normally heard, even in a gun range. We pointed out that since no one working here voted for these laws, then maybe they might know someone who did. And, maybe they should go back and talk to those people and tell them to re-think their position on firearms – we were trying to be nice.

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There are few things more frightening than the idea of a group of liberals who spent their entire lives hating guns and gun owners and knowing nothing about firearms safety suddenly wandering around with loaded handguns. Stay safe out there, folks, both from the virus and these recently emerging maniacs.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #733 on: April 14, 2020, 06:07:05 am »

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #734 on: April 14, 2020, 06:07:29 am »

Another victory for Trump:

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/could-this-be-the-end-of-camera-manufacturing-in-china?fbclid=IwAR0ziygukdOFlHf3mwYpEqpxGTC6fhhSwOKRSTv0rgu4Pxa-69Pcj06NLGM

For Trump?

Does the US make popular cameras people want to buy?

There's an acute danger of falling into the self-baited trap of leaping onto everything that smacks of possibly positive economic change for someone else and chalking it up to your orange champion who, in the end, seems to have done fuck all for you and many others here worried sick about ther economic survival. Patently, Britain handled that virus-related set of short-term economic problems better. (Which having an orange clone at the tiller, on and off, seems quite remarkable.)

But I covered some of the atavistic nonsense of aspìrational voting in earlier posts...

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #735 on: April 14, 2020, 06:11:09 am »

For Trump?

Does the US make popular cameras people want to buy?...

Cameras are but one aspect mentioned in the article. And has nothing to do with the point I was making. Trump took on China early, and this is the result: many companies are relocating their production somewhere else.

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« Reply #736 on: April 14, 2020, 06:31:12 am »

Cameras are but one aspect mentioned in the article. And has nothing to do with the point I was making. Trump took on China early, and this is the result: many companies are relocating their production somewhere else.

It's a victory for robots.
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« Reply #737 on: April 14, 2020, 06:40:28 am »

Cameras are but one aspect mentioned in the article. And has nothing to do with the point I was making. Trump took on China early, and this is the result: many companies are relocating their production somewhere else.


No, you can't chalk it up to your hero: moving out of China - if it actually happens - is to increase business and physical employment at home, in Japan, nothing to do with pleasing that idiot in the US. He has already been discounted as such everywhere, and the American entity with him until he's gone. You seem to have no inkling of the number of friends you have lost as a nation since he came to the fore. It will cost you dear, in the short term at least; faith has been shattered, and as with any love affair, some sins get forgiven but never forgotten.

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #738 on: April 14, 2020, 06:49:07 am »

You make the assumption that if you open the economy all will the rosy; almost for sure people will get sick/die or be afraid of getting sick that it won't get back anywhere near normal.
I don't think anybody on this forum has any half decent info to know how things will go, either way.

We know exactly what will happen if we continue this, the economy will collapse!  So I want better answers then we just don’t know.
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« Reply #739 on: April 14, 2020, 07:01:08 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhni0fYpnXI

For Craig:
- Trump has told the world yesterday that he thinks he has total authority over the states in situations like the Covid19. This means that he already had the same total authority a few months ago when he delayed his actions. You claimed that actions were delayed because he couldn't push the States. Now we know that wasn't the case from the mouth of the President himself.

For Joe:
- You are still not afraid of Trump's totalitarian impulses? It seems that for him, he is free to decide what situation gives him total powers... Knowing everything we know, it seems clear that being reelected will carry the same level of priority for him.

Cheers,
Bernard

First, who said I was afraid?  So far Trump has not taken any such power and if he did there is this thing called the courts.  There’s also impeachment, but the Dems cried wolf twice already so who knows if would care if they did it again. 

Why don’t you start looking at actions, not the cesspool called twitter.   
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