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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #280 on: April 08, 2020, 12:15:05 pm »

LOL.  Meanwhile, here in the USA, every Dem has come out and said that we should use this emergency as an opportunity to fundamentally change the country and increase government. 

So when it comes down to it, I am very happy with who is in charge because, say what you will about him, he is not looking to expand government in any permanent fashion.  He has refused to take any kind of dictatorship powers, which the left has insisted on for years that he would given the opportunity.

Unless he gets thrown out at the 'virtual convention' the Dems are now stuck with Biden since Bernie quit today. 

People who like to complain about Trump and his leadership skills are in for a shock once old Joe starts really making the scene.  Unless they keep him 'locked up in his basement' for the duration and only drag him out on election day.

Its going to get interesting and when we get past this and the economy comes back on line, Trump will be very hard to beat.

You gotta wonder what the bernie voters do this season?   
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #281 on: April 08, 2020, 12:33:57 pm »

Trump or Biden, is this really the best the Great US of A can come up with?

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« Reply #282 on: April 08, 2020, 12:46:11 pm »

Trump or Biden, is this really the best the Great US of A can come up with?

Leaves one scratching their head.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #283 on: April 08, 2020, 12:47:44 pm »

Trump or Biden, is this really the best the Great US of A can come up with?
Merkle? Johnson? Macron? Trudeau?  Should I go on?

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« Reply #284 on: April 08, 2020, 01:00:13 pm »

The face I imagine most Dems having right now. 

But on the bright, this COVID-19 craziness will at least spare us seeing Joe give a speech today. 

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« Reply #285 on: April 08, 2020, 01:03:32 pm »

Trump or Biden, is this really the best the Great US of A can come up with?

We are now entering the season of Chewbacca vs. The Swedish Chef. 

As for which is which, all I'll say is, does it really matter? 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #286 on: April 08, 2020, 01:08:31 pm »

We are now entering the season of Chewbacca vs. The Swedish Chef. 

As for which is which, all I'll say is, does is it really matter?

Joe this might interest you.  Winnebago  is based in Iowa, which seems to be doing well at this time, is planning to open some of its production back up again on April 13th. with others to open on May 4.   Interesting news.
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« Reply #287 on: April 08, 2020, 01:12:17 pm »

Joe this might interest you.  Winnebago  is based in Iowa, which seems to be doing well at this time, is planning to open some of its production back up again on April 13th. with others to open on May 4.   Interesting news.

Yes, I think all of the models were horribly wrong and overblown due to incorrect data coming our of China.  This is not to say this is not serious, especially in NYC, but as each days goes by, all of the models keep on trending down and down and down as we put in more reliable data from ours and other western countries. 

I think we will be back up and running, albeit with some additional light measures left in place for a little while, faster then everyone thinks.  This week will let us know. 

Meanwhile, Biden's health adviser is saying we need to continue this for another 18 months.  LOL, it's almost like they want to loose.  It really is depressing they put this poor old man up to this. 
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« Reply #288 on: April 08, 2020, 01:23:07 pm »

Yes, I think all of the models were horribly wrong and overblown due to incorrect data coming our of China.  This is not to say this is not serious, especially in NYC, but as each days goes by, all of the models keep on trending down and down and down as we put in more reliable data from ours and other western countries. 

I think we will be back up and running, albeit with some additional light measures left in place for a little while, faster then everyone thinks.  This week will let us know. 

Meanwhile, Biden's health adviser is saying we need to continue this for another 18 months.  LOL, it's almost like they want to loose.  It really is depressing they put this poor old man up to this.

I find it amusing that Bidens advisor is the same one who back when Obamacare was in the formative stages advocated for 75 as being a good age to die.  Now he wants to save old people.  Whats the difference now? Perhaps because he is shilling for Biden?  LOL!  I think this is just one more thing Biden is about to get pummeled with.
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« Reply #289 on: April 08, 2020, 01:24:31 pm »

Unless he gets thrown out at the 'virtual convention' the Dems are now stuck with Biden since Bernie quit today. 

People who like to complain about Trump and his leadership skills are in for a shock once old Joe starts really making the scene.  Unless they keep him 'locked up in his basement' for the duration and only drag him out on election day.

Its going to get interesting and when we get past this and the economy comes back on line, Trump will be very hard to beat.

You gotta wonder what the bernie voters do this season?

Might as well nip this in the bud now, for all those who just think the Bernie voters will hold their tongue and vote for Biden, keep this in mind. 

Bernie supporter and #1 podcaster on the Internet, Joe Rogan, had this to say recently about Biden"

“This is the real issue with the Democratic Party.  They’ve essentially made us all morons with this Joe Biden thing. ... I can’t vote for that guy."

“I’d rather vote for Trump than Biden,” said Rogan. “I don’t think Biden can handle anything. ... And we don’t know what the f--- he’ll be like [physically] after a year in office. The pressure of being president of the United States is something that no one has ever prepared for. The only one who seems to be fine with it is Trump, oddly enough. He doesn’t seem to be aging at all or in any sort of decline. Obama, almost immediately, started looking older." 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #290 on: April 08, 2020, 03:02:12 pm »

Joe this might interest you.  Winnebago  is based in Iowa, which seems to be doing well at this time, is planning to open some of its production back up again on April 13th. with others to open on May 4.   Interesting news.
People here asked me a couple of weeks ago when I thought things would start opening up.  I said May 5th.  I'm sticking to that.

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« Reply #291 on: April 08, 2020, 03:05:33 pm »

Trump or Biden, is this really the best the Great US of A can come up with?

Keith, you must factor in the mindset of many of the voters. Then think glass houses: all we could come up with was Boris or Corbyn. For the same dumb reasons.

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« Reply #292 on: April 08, 2020, 03:10:25 pm »

Keith, you must factor in the mindset of many of the voters. Then think glass houses: all we could come up with was Boris or Corbyn. For the same dumb reasons.

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Rob, two wrongs never make a right.

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« Reply #293 on: April 08, 2020, 03:52:03 pm »

Rob, two wrongs never make a right.

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It's one of the reasons, the American founders original constitution had Senators elected by the legislators from each state and electors electing the president.  There were no direct voting for these offices.  Only representatives for the House of Representatives were directly elected by the people.  Some time around 100 years ago the constitution was amended to change senators to direct elected as well, an apparent mistake.  Even electors for the president follow the vote of the common man.

So here we are.

But the truth is, it wasn;t the voters who selected Hillary Clinton.  She was pushed by the insiders; basically anointed.  Trump was the smart guy who outmaneuvered Republican insiders to gain the nomination and win the election against the anointed Democrat.  That was quite a feat.  I took a lot of moxie and skill.  Meanwhile the Democrats are anointed another standard bearer - Biden.  Are they kidding?

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« Reply #294 on: April 08, 2020, 04:49:15 pm »

The face I imagine most Dems having right now. 

But on the bright, this COVID-19 craziness will at least spare us seeing Joe give a speech today.

Actually I had these in mind  ;)

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« Reply #295 on: April 08, 2020, 04:59:52 pm »

Actually I had these in mind  ;)
Comparing Trump to a Communist dictator who killed people is disgraceful.  What's next?  Hitler?

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« Reply #296 on: April 08, 2020, 05:04:50 pm »

Comparing Trump to a Communist dictator who killed people is disgraceful.  What's next?  Hitler?

In all fairness Allen, he was responding to me where I said that this is what I feel most Dems look like. 

I just never thought Armand too would agree with me.  I mean that is the only way to take his response.  He did not say this is what he thinks Trump looks like, only this is what I had in mind about who you are talking about, the Dems. 

The Dems apparrently look just like Trump but with a bit of added Communist dictator.  Sounds about right to me. 
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« Reply #297 on: April 08, 2020, 05:07:48 pm »

It's one of the reasons, the American founders original constitution had Senators elected by the legislators from each state and electors electing the president.  There were no direct voting for these offices.  Only representatives for the House of Representatives were directly elected by the people.  Some time around 100 years ago the constitution was amended to change senators to direct elected as well, an apparent mistake.  Even electors for the president follow the vote of the common man.

So here we are.

But the truth is, it wasn;t the voters who selected Hillary Clinton.  She was pushed by the insiders; basically anointed.  Trump was the smart guy who outmaneuvered Republican insiders to gain the nomination and win the election against the anointed Democrat.  That was quite a feat.  I took a lot of moxie and skill.  Meanwhile the Democrats are anointed another standard bearer - Biden.  Are they kidding?

In the meantime another 2,000 innocent Americans past away today.

The voters this year may realize that Trump has a major responsibility in those.

Biden may not have a track record, but I would think that a large majority of people looking at facts, Democrats or Republicans, will prefer that over more of the Trump disaster. Especially the millions who will know someone who was directly dramatically impacted by his delayed actions and words.

Beyond a certain level even the best marketing machine cannot hide reality.

There is also a possibility that Trump himself may step out of the race. Heck, the man has a conscience. The weight of so many casualties on his shoulders must be devastating.

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« Reply #298 on: April 08, 2020, 05:11:10 pm »

In the meantime another 2,000 innocent Americans past away today.

The voters this year may realize that Trump has a major responsibility in those.

Biden may not have a track record, but I would think that a large majority of people looking at facts, Democrats or Republicans, will prefer that over more of the Trump disaster. Especially the millions who will know someone who was directly dramatically impacted by his delayed actions and words.

Beyond a certain level even the best marketing machine cannot hide reality.

There is also a possibility that Trump himself may step out of the race. Heck, the man has a conscience. The weight of so many casualties on his shoulders must be devastating.

Regards,
Bernard

It just simply amazes me that you ignore any negative about your side of the isle.  Biden repeatably played down COVID-19 and said that closing off travel to China was a bad racist idea.  He then criticized Trump for closing off travel to/from Europe after it was looking like it was getting serious. 

If Biden was in charge, it would have been much worse.  Those are the facts.

But hey, it is nice to at least see you are coming around to the reality Trump is going to win again.  Trying to play that pipe dream, again, of Trump dropping out is starting to show your desperation. 
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« Reply #299 on: April 08, 2020, 05:16:22 pm »

Trump or Biden, is this really the best the Great US of A can come up with?

Biden won't be bad -- he'll essentially be a placeholder for the 2024 election. He won't get much accomplished, but I think people are ready for a rest. For those people who think some Sanders backers may either sit on their hands, or vote for Trump, I think this may happen in some cases, since both men appeal to the same essentially populist impulse. A lot of conservatives don't understand that populists are quite tolerant of socialist economics, but are not tolerant of liberal social/cultural philosophy.

Most people think in terms of liberal vs. conservative, but that's never been the situation in the western nations, including the entire western hemisphere. We're actually divided on a four-way scale: liberals, conservatives, populists and libertarians. In the US, libertarians haven't been an effective force since the Civil War. Their numbers are small, and they tend mostly toward the Republican Party when it comes to actual voting. Of the other three, electoral politics have been dominated by liberals and conservatives, and the populists would swing back and forth between the two parties, depending on what the current dominant issues were. In general, liberals tend to be both liberal on social and economic issues -- that is, they tend to be very permissive on most social issues (abortion, gay rights, women' rights, death penalty, legalization of drugs, national medical insurance, civil rights, the exception being gun rights) and quite supportive of large government and high taxes. Conservatives are generally very restrictive on those social issues (again, the exception is guns) and, of course, are for smaller government, private property rights and lower taxes. Populists tend to side with conservatives on social issues like abortion, gay rights, death penalty, drugs) but with liberals on the economic issues -- medical insurance being the major one, but they also tend to like loose money, restrictions on corporations, taxation of the rich, and so on. They switch back and forth depending on what issues are on the foreground, which is why they voted for both Obama and Trump.

I think Trump is on his way to losing the election, with choices he is making now -- he'll try to re-open the economy in a foolish way, that is, simply throw it open. If it were done in a more nuanced way, I think he'd be more successful. I think what will happen (I may be repeating myself here) is that sometime in early May, with the rate of infection declining along with the death rate, he'll pretty much demand that everything be reopened. That will happen, and another surge of the virus will take place, and build sharply through the autumn, as more and more people have to be quarantined again, and deaths start to rise again. And he'll be toast.

The election is really Trump's to win or lose. If he simply shut up, I think he'd probably win. But he keeps stepping on his own dick. Those people who find little problems with Biden's demeanor are fooling themselves. Biden's demeanor and health won't be issues, because everything is going to be strained through large and powerful advertising and image-making industries. And Trump has provided the Democrats with endless ammunition.   

 
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