PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political

[Craig Lamson]

That shouldn't be an excuse. And pretending that this is the new normal.

Its not an excuse, its reality and this is not new a normal, it same old same old. Always has been and alway will be.

[BobShaw]

Trump has ceased funding for the World Health Organisation. Apparently they didn't explain clearly enough to him that it was serious.
WHO have changed their world map to no longer list countries by number of cases so as not to embarrass anyone.
Now it just shows by the size of a ball. I guess it becomes serious if the ball covers the country.
https://who.sprinklr.com

[JoeKitchen]

Careful now, you don't want to join the club.

Joke aside, despite the fact we don't agree on the fact that Trump did a bad job with the respond to this pandemic, as long as we maintain a sense of decency without personal attacks to one's intelligence or such, we can keep discussing. I would rather not because it's a rabbit hole and nobody is here to change their opinion, but that's a different discussion.

Gotchu.   

[LesPalenik]

Its not an excuse, its reality and this is not new a normal, it same old same old. Always has been and alway will be.

Historically, this argument has been used in the past in some other countries. It never ended on a good note.

[Alan Klein]

Agreed.  Fundamentally, the modern "originalist" doctrine is an attempt to abrogate our common law heritage.

Common law was codified in the Constitution and other rules to protect human liberty were added as well.  Trying to find some "common law heritage" to argue for and against some new rule defeats the whole purpose of a written constitution.  It allows unelected justices to decide how we should live rather than allowing  the people to decide democratically through their elected officials.

[Alan Klein]

More accurate description would be that he doesn't lie all the time, sometimes he tells the truth. But how do you know when he is in that mood?

Trump promised certain things during the campaign and has tried to implement them as best he could when becoming president.  Keeping your word is very refreshing in a president or any politician. 

[BernardLanguillier]

Historically, this argument has been used in the past in some other countries. It never ended on a good note.

It’s a waste if time.

I believe that Craig belongs to a small minority among the people who voted from Trump.

Most of them are perfectly reasonable people who were tired of the established intelligencia in Washington, felt forgotten or just voted for anyone who was not a democrat.

They have understood by now how big a mistake that was, that Trump never was a Republican and doesn’t shares their values of hard working and honest people. Above all people who consider the life given by God as sacred. Which can in no way be compatible with the disdain Trump has expressed for people’s life when he told the world that the pandemic was not worth prioritizing over the economy.

Craig does in no way represent them. There is no legitimacy in his kidnapping of what it means to be a Trump supporter. There is just no way they can be like him.

Regards,
Bernard

[BernardLanguillier]

Trump promised certain things during the campaign and has tried to implement them as best he could when becoming president.  Keeping your word is very refreshing in a president or any politician.

Perhaps but it comes on top of a fundamental lie which is that he promised to be a President and to act as one.

Cheers,
Bernard

[JoeKitchen]

That shouldn't be an excuse. And pretending that this is the new normal.

I mean it's not the new normal really.  Biden has been lying since he got in office; he's over stated his credentials and plagiarized people in past campaigns.  He still is lying and not being questioned on it. 

Trump has not killed American politics, he just made it obvious it's a dead and rotting affair. 

[Chris Kern]

Trying to find some "common law heritage" to argue for and against some new rule defeats the whole purpose of a written constitution.

This is a preposterous assertion, devoid of any basis in the letter of the U.S. Constitution or the case law.  The common law "heritage" is fundamental to our jurisprudence, including the interpretation of the Constitution by the federal courts since shortly after the document's adoption, as well as of the statutes enacted by Congress.

[chez]

Trump is not always right, but he right far more that you (or the left )want to give him credit for.

And when he's wrong...he quickly blames someone else. Never takes responibilities for his screw ups...like the slow action to tackle Covid-19. The buck definitely does not stop here...it slithers away.

[Alan Klein]

Perhaps but it comes on top of a fundamental lie which is that he promised to be a President and to act as one.

Cheers,
Bernard

He is acting like a president with the power vested in him by the constitution.  You may not like him or his policies, but he's president just like any other president before him. Get over it.  Hillary lost.

[Alan Klein]

This is a preposterous assertion, devoid of any basis in the letter of the U.S. Constitution or the case law.  The common law "heritage" is fundamental to our jurisprudence, including the interpretation of the Constitution by the federal courts since shortly after the document's adoption, as well as of the statutes enacted by Congress.

Chris, you were the one who stated :"... Fundamentally, the modern "originalist" doctrine is an attempt to abrogate our common law heritage."

The idea that the constitution tried to do away the common law is not true.  What it did was incorporate common law into a written constitution to memorialize, protect and preserve it for future generations.  It added methods of governming to protect people and States and lessen the chance of an all-powerful central government.  Arguing like you do for what people like to call a "living constitution" is just looking for a way to ignore what the constitution says. You wish to create public policies beyond the confines of the constitution.  I believe we should follow what the document says as politicians are sworn to uphold and protect so important did our founder consider the consitution.

What we're both arguing is the familiar dispute as to whether the constitution should be re-interpreted as we go along as you wish or interpreted in its original form as I believe it should be.
 This argument has been going on a long time.  Both sides have their views but I don't think we'll resolve it here in a thread about a virus. 

[Alan Klein]

Apparently, Republican President Trump isn't the only one concerned about the economy.  The Governors of New York, Connecticut and New Jersey, all Democrats, are planning to get their economies going for the hard-hit tristate area which has the most cases in the country.

Said NY Gov Cuomo, " “You’re not going to end the infection, end the virus, before you start restarting life. I don’t think we have that luxury,” Cuomo said. “This is not a light switch that you just can flick one day and go back to normal. We’re looking to restart the economy, we’re going to have to restart a lot of systems that we shut down abruptly and we need to start a plan for that.”

They're looking toward a rolling restart while the virus is still around.  Like Trump, they understand that the economy has life and death issues as well.
https://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2020/04/07/new-york-region-governors-plan-coordinated-economic-restart-1273313

[Craig Lamson]

Historically, this argument has been used in the past in some other countries. It never ended on a good note.

It is what it is...

[Craig Lamson]

And when he's wrong...he quickly blames someone else. Never takes responibilities for his screw ups...like the slow action to tackle Covid-19. The buck definitely does not stop here...it slithers away.

Slow action, boy you sure have the hate Trump  talking points down pat.

[Alan Klein]

A little on the light side of the virus.  In my home state of New Jersey, a hot spot for the Covid-19, the Governor issued a stay at home executive order for those with the disease and to keep people from congregating in groups.  So police went out and did their jobs:

According to the press release from New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal and State Police Col. Patrick Callahan, Terrance Edwards told police responding to a call Monday that he had coronavirus COVID-19.
Edwards was arrested after he allegedly broke into a residence while naked and armed with a knife. He left that residence and allegedly attempted unsuccessfully to break into a neighboring residence.
When officers arrived, Edwards yelled that he had the coronavirus, according to the press release.
Edwards has been charged with second-degree burglary, third-degree possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose, fourth-degree unlawful possession of a weapon and "violation of the executive orders."

In a second case, John Maldjian, 54, of Rumson, who played acoustic guitar versions of Pink Floyd songs on the front porch of his home and attracted a crowd that became unruly when asked to leave, according to authorities. Rumson Police charged Maldjian with reckless endangerment, disorderly conduct, and two separate charges related to violating the emergency orders, according to state authorities.

I don't think anyone's been shot yet by the cops for holding hands with your girlfriend. 
https://www.tapinto.net/towns/new-brunswick/sections/law-and-justice/articles/new-brunswick-man-charged-with-violating-governor-s-executive-orders

[BernardLanguillier]

Apparently, Republican President Trump isn't the only one concerned about the economy.  The Governors of New York, Connecticut and New Jersey, all Democrats, are planning to get their economies going for the hard-hit tristate area which has the most cases in the country.

Said NY Gov Cuomo, " “You’re not going to end the infection, end the virus, before you start restarting life. I don’t think we have that luxury,” Cuomo said. “This is not a light switch that you just can flick one day and go back to normal. We’re looking to restart the economy, we’re going to have to restart a lot of systems that we shut down abruptly and we need to start a plan for that.”

They're looking toward a rolling restart while the virus is still around.  Like Trump, they understand that the economy has life and death issues as well.
https://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2020/04/07/new-york-region-governors-plan-coordinated-economic-restart-1273313

Everybody is concerned by the economy. That’s exactly why strong measures should have been taken early to kill the issue before it blows out of control.

Regards,
Bernard

[Alan Klein]

Everybody is concerned by the economy. That’s exactly why strong measures should have been taken early to kill the issue before it blows out of control.

Regards,
Bernard

They were.

[Alan Klein]

In case you're running out.