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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #6380 on: July 21, 2020, 04:07:34 pm »

If any of our international friends are considering moving to the United States, you might want to avoid Missouri.  The governor is a big fan of Trump and his back to school policy.

"These kids have got to get back to school," Parson told a conservative talk radio host. "They're at the lowest risk possible. And if they do get Covid-19, which they will -- and they will when they go to school -- they're not going to the hospitals. They're not going to have to sit in doctor's offices. They're going to go home and they're going to get over it."

And that was just the kids he was talking about. Not sure what his plans are for the teachers and staff, or the parents at home who may become infected by their children.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/20/politics/mike-parson-missouri-governor-school-reopening/index.html

As i understand young children are low risk for they don't pread the virus somehow and do not get ill or slightly. This is not the case for young adults. It is the reason universities are still closed here in the Netherlands.
teanager- secondary schools - i don't know...
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« Reply #6381 on: July 21, 2020, 06:33:14 pm »

There must have been an intervention at the White House over the weekend. Trump appeared at the podium today, and in an uncharacteristically subdued manner, reading from a notebook, announced that he was now encouraging the use of masks. Unfortunately, I have only seen clips from the briefing, so that's about all I can say.
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« Reply #6382 on: July 21, 2020, 06:42:39 pm »

There must have been an intervention at the White House over the weekend. Trump appeared at the podium today, and in an uncharacteristically subdued manner, reading from a notebook, announced that he was now encouraging the use of masks. Unfortunately, I have only seen clips from the briefing, so that's about all I can say.
I guess when you pass 4 million cases it must be serious now.
I don't understand how you can have a press conference about a medical emergency without any medical people there, but who understands much of this.
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« Reply #6383 on: July 21, 2020, 06:47:33 pm »

There must have been an intervention at the White House over the weekend. Trump appeared at the podium today, and in an uncharacteristically subdued manner, reading from a notebook, announced that he was now encouraging the use of masks. Unfortunately, I have only seen clips from the briefing, so that's about all I can say.

Yep, he's feeling the heat in the recent polls so now he'll go out and whore himself to attract more votes. I'd have more respect for the guy if he'd stand up for what he really believes rather than changing his views just to attract votes.
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« Reply #6384 on: July 21, 2020, 06:52:32 pm »

Yep, he's feeling the heat in the recent polls so now he'll go out and whore himself to attract more votes. I'd have more respect for the guy if he'd stand up for what he really believes rather than changing his views just to attract votes.

It's a fine line he's walking. All those guys in camo and guns can't be too happy with this development. Maybe if you have a QAnon equipped TV you'll get scrolling text that reassures you he is only kidding, wink wink.
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« Reply #6385 on: July 21, 2020, 06:55:11 pm »

Yep, he's feeling the heat in the recent polls so now he'll go out and whore himself to attract more votes. I'd have more respect for the guy if he'd stand up for what he really believes rather than changing his views just to attract votes.

I wonder if he really believes in anything besides money and power.
If he were a normal person/President I'd give kudos for having the courage to admit he changed his mind. But I think his anti mask stance was just to attract votes and/or rally his base. Now he's just trying to get the other votes too. Speaking of his base, do you think they will be influenced by this latest turn?
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« Reply #6386 on: July 21, 2020, 07:21:25 pm »

I wonder if he really believes in anything besides money and power.
If he were a normal person/President I'd give kudos for having the courage to admit he changed his mind. But I think his anti mask stance was just to attract votes and/or rally his base. Now he's just trying to get the other votes too. Speaking of his base, do you think they will be influenced by this latest turn?
Biden's changed his opinion for this election on every belief he's ever had during 45 years in politics.  He's gone from a Democrat middle of the roader basically, to a leftist Socialist.  Why don't you find that a problem?  With Trump, most of what he believed before he became president and espoused, he still believes in.  He railed against China's stealing our industry and industrial secrets, a weak military, bad trade agreements like NAFTA, American adventurism like in Iraq, high business taxes, illegal immigration, etc.  He's tried to change these things and has had some success.  He's been very consistent on the major issues, unlike Biden.  Many of Trump's supporters wish he would modify his views to make it easier for him to win like Biden so easily modifies his supposed views. 

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« Reply #6387 on: July 21, 2020, 07:33:11 pm »

Biden's changed his opinion for this election on every belief he's ever had during 45 years in politics.  He's gone from a Democrat middle of the roader basically, to a leftist Socialist.  Why don't you find that a problem?  With Trump, most of what he believed before he became president and espoused, he still believes in.  He railed against China's stealing our industry and industrial secrets, a weak military, bad trade agreements like NAFTA, American adventurism like in Iraq, high business taxes, illegal immigration, etc.  He's tried to change these things and has had some success.  He's been very consistent on the major issues, unlike Biden.  Many of Trump's supporters wish he would modify his views to make it easier for him to win like Biden so easily modifies his supposed views.

Well maybe Trump should focus on the chaos he's caused and come out with a plan on how to clean it up...maybe that would win him some votes rather than flipping and flopping on masks.

I noticed last night at some kind of gathering at his Trump tower, he did not wear a mask even though many around him did. Damn hypocrite.
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« Reply #6388 on: July 21, 2020, 07:56:15 pm »

Biden's changed his opinion for this election on every belief he's ever had during 45 years in politics.  He's gone from a Democrat middle of the roader basically, to a leftist Socialist.  Why don't you find that a problem?  With Trump, most of what he believed before he became president and espoused, he still believes in.  He railed against China's stealing our industry and industrial secrets, a weak military, bad trade agreements like NAFTA, American adventurism like in Iraq, high business taxes, illegal immigration, etc.  He's tried to change these things and has had some success.  He's been very consistent on the major issues, unlike Biden.  Many of Trump's supporters wish he would modify his views to make it easier for him to win like Biden so easily modifies his supposed views.

Hu? Biden would be supporting a leftist socialist policy? Not that I can read. He is seemingly firmly on course to stay in the middle.

As far as Trump goes, you are not looking at the reality of who he is and what he did. You are looking at what you wish he did and who you wish he were.

- the main thing he did on taxes is to lower taxes for the super rich. Even his covid19 support package has most probably been mostly used to support his billlionaire friends
- he has screwed the economy big time, more than any president before him, by not taking the right measures timely on covid19. The economy is where it is because of him. Look at Germany, China, Japan... the 3 main competitors of the US economically. Countries that did take the right measures in terms of early testing and control, they are all back in business nearly as if nothing had happened
- the US military was not weak at all. The US was already spending more money on weapons than ever before (or at least at the same level as during the Cold War) and way more than any other country in the world
- the trade agreement that replaced NAFTA is a carbon copy, nothing changed
- the problem of immigration in the US isn't illegal immigration... the problem now is that it's super hard for the US leading companies to bring talents into the country. In case you don't know, the US high tech sector is alive thanks to talents from China, India and Europe. There is a minority of US engineers. And those companies are paying your retirrement.

And then of course you are not mentioning the facts that...
- the US is more isolated on the international scene than ever before. If you think that its past successes were the result of isolation, think again. The US was successful when the World liked it
- the "great America" Trump is nostalgic about is that of the 60s, a time where the super rich were taxed at 90% of their income. It's also the time when America was most inventive and most productive
- a large majority of young educated Americans (again, the same people that bring in money, that pay taxes, that fund the military you are so fond about) are ashamed to be citizens of a country led by Trump

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« Reply #6389 on: July 21, 2020, 08:06:32 pm »

Hu? Biden would be supporting a leftist socialist policy? Not that I can read. He is seemingly firmly on course to stay in the middle.

As far as Trump goes, you are not looking at the reality of who he is and what he did. You are looking at what you wish he did and who you wish he were.

- the main thing he did on taxes is to lower taxes for the super rich. Even his covid19 support package has most probably been mostly used to support his billlionaire friends
- he has screwed the economy big time, more than any president before him, by not taking the right measures timely on covid19. The economy is where it is because of him. Look at Germany, China, Japan... the 3 main competitors of the US economically. Countries that did take the right measures in terms of early testing and control, they are all back in business nearly as if nothing had happened
- the US military was not weak at all. The US was already spending more money on weapons than ever before (or at least at the same level as during the Cold War) and way more than any other country in the world
- the trade agreement that replaced NAFTA is a carbon copy, nothing changed
- the problem of immigration in the US isn't illegal immigration... the problem now is that it's super hard for the US leading companies to bring talents into the country. In case you don't know, the US high tech sector is alive thanks to talents from China, India and Europe. There is a minority of US engineers. And those companies are paying your retirrement.

And then of course you are not mentioning the facts that...
- the US is more isolated on the international scene than ever before. If you think that its past successes were the result of isolation, think again. The US was successful when the World liked it
- the "great America" Trump is nostalgic about is that of the 60s, a time where the super rich were taxed at 90% of their income. It's also the time when America was most inventive and most productive
- a large majority of young educated Americans (again, the same people that bring in money, that pay taxes, that fund the military you are so fond about) are ashamed to be citizens of a country led by Trump

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« Reply #6390 on: July 21, 2020, 08:21:01 pm »

Yep, he's feeling the heat in the recent polls so now he'll go out and whore himself to attract more votes. I'd have more respect for the guy if he'd stand up for what he really believes rather than changing his views just to attract votes.

I wouldn’t. What he believes is almost universally, incomprehensibly, stupid.
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« Reply #6391 on: July 21, 2020, 10:12:54 pm »

... a weak military ...

If I had been drinking coffee when I read that, I would have done a spit take. By what measure has the US military been weak in living memory? You might need to alter the messaging a bit.
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« Reply #6392 on: July 22, 2020, 04:38:08 am »

If any of our international friends are considering moving to the United States, you might want to avoid Missouri.  The governor is a big fan of Trump and his back to school policy.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/20/politics/mike-parson-missouri-governor-school-reopening/index.html

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« Reply #6393 on: July 22, 2020, 04:41:45 am »

There must have been an intervention at the White House over the weekend. Trump appeared at the podium today, and in an uncharacteristically subdued manner, reading from a notebook, announced that he was now encouraging the use of masks. Unfortunately, I have only seen clips from the briefing, so that's about all I can say.

ABC News it talking about a new tone from him... It amuses me that after four years folks still think there is hope for him to "pivot" and become "presidential".... there is only one way for him from yesterday's "briefing" - down!
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« Reply #6394 on: July 22, 2020, 09:19:05 am »

If I had been drinking coffee when I read that, I would have done a spit take. By what measure has the US military been weak in living memory? You might need to alter the messaging a bit.
We weren't discussing the relative merits of Trump's policies.  My point was that Trump kept his word to strengthen the military and other promises he made during the 2016 campaign.  The argument that he jumps all over the place and you don't know what he wants to do just isn't true.  That's hype from the anti-Trumpists.

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« Reply #6395 on: July 22, 2020, 09:53:53 am »

The argument that he jumps all over the place and you don't know what he wants to do just isn't true.

So are you saying you didn't actually watch Trump's interview with Chris Wallace on Sunday?
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« Reply #6396 on: July 22, 2020, 10:18:20 am »

According to Worldometer, there were over 1000 Covid deaths in the US yesterday. After dropping to the 500 or so level for a while, the level has inched closer to the 1000 per day level and is stubbornly staying there. I have been seeing articles about "lockdown fatigue" among the young, which may be behind the new spread. Maybe the young are not getting sick in large numbers, but they might be keeping the contagion going.

There have been pockets of increase in Canada as well, also mostly attributed to people congregating together.

Wishful thinking in the magic of summer won't stop the spread, and really why would it. Wasn't it a month or so ago that Trump was quoted as saying that it will go away in the summer, might be over by July.

Cults are fascinating, aren't they? Despite being repeatedly and spectacularly wrong, they cling to wild-eyed fantasies. People truly prefer mythology to reality. If you want to stop the spread of a contagious disease, you have to person-to-person contact. We know how to do that and it has worked in many places. For some reason, not everyone understands or believes this. It makes me wonder how it's possible to arrive at such an erroneous world view.
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« Reply #6397 on: July 22, 2020, 10:24:02 am »

So are you saying you didn't actually watch Trump's interview with Chris Wallace on Sunday?
What major issues has Trump changed his mind on?  Biden, on the other hand,  has changed his beliefs in everything he ever had a policy position on just to win the election.  He's a phony. 

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« Reply #6398 on: July 22, 2020, 10:25:42 am »

What major issues has Trump changed his mind on?  Biden, on the other hand,  has changed his beliefs in everything he ever had a policy position on just to win the election.  He's a phony.

Why is being consistently wrong a virtue? Might be better if he did change his mind now and then.
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« Reply #6399 on: July 22, 2020, 10:31:46 am »

According to Worldometer, there were over 1000 Covid deaths in the US yesterday. After dropping to the 500 or so level for a while, the level has inched closer to the 1000 per day level and is stubbornly staying there. I have been seeing articles about "lockdown fatigue" among the young, which may be behind the new spread. Maybe the young are not getting sick in large numbers, but they might be keeping the contagion going.

There have been pockets of increase in Canada as well, also mostly attributed to people congregating together.

Wishful thinking in the magic of summer won't stop the spread, and really why would it. Wasn't it a month or so ago that Trump was quoted as saying that it will go away in the summer, might be over by July.

Cults are fascinating, aren't they? Despite being repeatedly and spectacularly wrong, they cling to wild-eyed fantasies. People truly prefer mythology to reality. If you want to stop the spread of a contagious disease, you have to person-to-person contact. We know how to do that and it has worked in many places. For some reason, not everyone understands or believes this. It makes me wonder how it's possible to arrive at such an erroneous world view.
As a senior who lives in a senior community, I can tell you many of us are getting antsy too.  Old, more vulnerable people, are taking more chances.  In NY, they pulled the liquor licenses of around 30 bars for violating occupancy requirements.  In one of my old stomping grounds, Astoria, Queens, huge crowds gathered of young, horney single people letting off steam.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLicT5qM-nk 
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