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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5360 on: June 04, 2020, 02:04:47 pm »

It was a Chinese bat.

Did it carry an ID card/Passport?
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« Reply #5361 on: June 04, 2020, 02:21:25 pm »

Interesting info from where were work has us rethinking our plans...

Officials Warn Northern Indiana Businesses of Virus Spike

In March and April, our community did a great job working together to slow the spread of the virus and assure that we could medically test and treat those who were infected. We expected a peak in mid-May in northern Indiana, but numbers in the past week in particular are troubling. As of June 1, Elkhart County had a total of 1,322 positive cases from 9,849 tested and 28 people have died from the coronavirus.

The State of Indiana is decreasing the percentage of new positive cases in comparison to the number of tests given. The temporary shut down and actions of people as we open up seem to have been successful statewide. Our county tells a different story. In the past week, Elkhart County received national attention when it became the 10th most likely in the entire country to have the next COVID-19 outbreak, based on data collected by the New York Times. This has since changed and we are no longer on the high end of the list, but only because other counties are doing worse.

As of today, we expect to see our total number of cases double every 12.5 days. Our county is testing a significant number more people than we have in the past which means our total number of positive cases will rise. The problem is our percentage of positive tests to total tests given is rising dramatically. This shows that we have a spread issue. The first couple of months we saw a daily positive test percentage of 4% to 9%. Since the economy has reopened, we have seen that jump to 16%, and the last week the percentages of positive tests rose to 20% to 25%. By comparison, Indiana dropped from 18% to the current 7.5% daily positives
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(more at link)

https://rvbusiness.com/officials-warn-northern-indiana-businesses-of-virus-spike/
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« Reply #5362 on: June 04, 2020, 02:27:17 pm »

Interesting info from where were work has us rethinking our plans...

Officials Warn Northern Indiana Businesses of Virus Spike

In March and April, our community did a great job working together to slow the spread of the virus and assure that we could medically test and treat those who were infected. We expected a peak in mid-May in northern Indiana, but numbers in the past week in particular are troubling. As of June 1, Elkhart County had a total of 1,322 positive cases from 9,849 tested and 28 people have died from the coronavirus.

The State of Indiana is decreasing the percentage of new positive cases in comparison to the number of tests given. The temporary shut down and actions of people as we open up seem to have been successful statewide. Our county tells a different story. In the past week, Elkhart County received national attention when it became the 10th most likely in the entire country to have the next COVID-19 outbreak, based on data collected by the New York Times. This has since changed and we are no longer on the high end of the list, but only because other counties are doing worse.

As of today, we expect to see our total number of cases double every 12.5 days. Our county is testing a significant number more people than we have in the past which means our total number of positive cases will rise. The problem is our percentage of positive tests to total tests given is rising dramatically. This shows that we have a spread issue. The first couple of months we saw a daily positive test percentage of 4% to 9%. Since the economy has reopened, we have seen that jump to 16%, and the last week the percentages of positive tests rose to 20% to 25%. By comparison, Indiana dropped from 18% to the current 7.5% daily positives
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(more at link)

https://rvbusiness.com/officials-warn-northern-indiana-businesses-of-virus-spike/

Are you honestly surprised?  Nothing has changed (in terms of how easy the virus spreads) since the initial spike in cases over late winter/early spring.  I guess people thought that it just went away or something (not being political or snarky here), but it seems crystal clear to me that aggressive distancing/quarantine policies had a major impact on blunting the spread and turning the curve down.  Now that's all being tossed aside, so... 
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5363 on: June 04, 2020, 02:29:31 pm »



Race relations deteriorated during the Obama presidency.  It started there, not with Trump.

Indeed.  Those uppity blacks forgot their place once a black man was in the white house, causing all sorts of problems.
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« Reply #5364 on: June 04, 2020, 02:31:15 pm »

Interesting observations emerged from the George Floyd autopsy report.

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The official cause of death, according to the full 20-page report made public on Wednesday by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s Office, was cardiopulmonary arrest.

The report listed several additional factors as “significant conditions” contributing to Floyd’s death, including heart disease, high blood pressure and intoxication from the powerful opioid fentanyl, as well as recent methamphetamine use.
The report further noted that a nasal swab sample collected from Floyd’s body came back positive for COVID-19, and that Floyd had also tested positive on April 3, nearly eight weeks before his death.

Since the two positive Covid-19 tests were 8 weeks apart, does it mean that the patient was re-infected or do some virus cells remain in the body even after the patient recovers from the disease?
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5365 on: June 04, 2020, 02:33:32 pm »

Did it carry an ID card/Passport?

That was a good one Bart!   ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #5366 on: June 04, 2020, 02:34:08 pm »

Interesting observations emerged from the George Floyd autopsy report.

Since the two positive Covid-19 tests were 8 weeks apart, does it mean that the patient was re-infected or do some virus cells remain in the body even after the patient recovers from the disease?

What does "tested positive" mean?  Antibodies should still be present months/years later I would think?

As an aside, it will be amusing to watch the same people that complain about non-COVID deaths being counted as such claim that this should be counted as a COVID death ;)
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5367 on: June 04, 2020, 02:40:24 pm »

Interesting observations emerged from the George Floyd autopsy report.

Since the two positive Covid-19 tests were 8 weeks apart, does it mean that the patient was re-infected or do some virus cells remain in the body even after the patient recovers from the disease?

AFAIK, one remains potentially contageous until about a week after the symptoms disappear. It can take 3 weeks for that to happen, as it did in my (mild) case, so I took another week before getting back to work, to protect others. It is not yet clear if mild cases of COVID-19, which also produce lower levels of antibodies, are really immune. So after 8 weeks there could be a reinfection if he earlier only had mild COVID-19.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #5368 on: June 04, 2020, 02:44:26 pm »

What does "tested positive" mean?  Antibodies should still be present months/years later I would think?

If a sample was taken from the nose or throat, then they were looking for the virus itself. A (blood) serum test is used to test for antibodies, which only shows if one has been in contact with the virus.

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As an aside, it will be amusing to watch the same people that complain about non-COVID deaths being counted as such claim that this should be counted as a COVID death ;)

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« Reply #5369 on: June 04, 2020, 02:57:58 pm »

Are you honestly surprised?  Nothing has changed (in terms of how easy the virus spreads) since the initial spike in cases over late winter/early spring.  I guess people thought that it just went away or something (not being political or snarky here), but it seems crystal clear to me that aggressive distancing/quarantine policies had a major impact on blunting the spread and turning the curve down.  Now that's all being tossed aside, so...

Nope, not surprised at all and we were not too happy to see the lack of precautions taken both here at home while shopping or in the factory we are working in.  I'm on post processing now with no units due off line until mid next week. I'll need to decide how to move forward by then.  We work alone with almost zero contact so I'm not concerned for the work we have done and they have not reported any cases at this factory...yet. 

I've been saying this for some time, lots of folks have just said screw it.  I'm not sure you bring those folks back into the fold. 

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« Reply #5370 on: June 04, 2020, 03:03:04 pm »

Nope, not surprised at all and we were not too happy to see the lack of precautions taken both here at home while shopping or in the factory we are working in.  I'm on post processing now with no units due off line until mid next week. I'll need to decide how to move forward by then.  We work alone with almost zero contact so I'm not concerned for the work we have done and they have not reported any cases at this factory...yet. 

I've been saying this for some time, lots of folks have just said screw it.  I'm not sure you bring those folks back into the fold.

Glad to hear you are out of the "contact zone" and can hole up again for a few weeks.   And sorry that it's necessary.  I'd be a lot less concerned about "opening up" if I trusted people to maintain smart practices while going about their business.
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« Reply #5371 on: June 04, 2020, 03:13:42 pm »

Glad to hear you are out of the "contact zone" and can hole up again for a few weeks.   And sorry that it's necessary.  I'd be a lot less concerned about "opening up" if I trusted people to maintain smart practices while going about their business.

We are just fine without the work right now so if we decide to forgo it, we can.  Thanks for the concern.  Its a shame though, I was just getting my photo groove back again and enjoying the process.  If we do need to stay away again for awhile I do have a new pile of suspension parts on my bench for the 530. :)  I'll find something to do.
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« Reply #5372 on: June 04, 2020, 03:20:35 pm »

We are just fine without the work right now so if we decide to forgo it, we can.  Thanks for the concern.  Its a shame though, I was just getting my photo groove back again and enjoying the process.  If we do need to stay away again for awhile I do have a new pile of suspension parts on my bench for the 530. :)  I'll find something to do.

I hear that.  I've got a brand new Fuji GFX and a trip to Marfa and Santa Fe on hold while I wait for this thing to get under control, but maybe I'll finally get my website up :).  Meanwhile, my wife has taken her whole business virtual and I've had to cram a few year's worth of video and live streaming learning into 2 months.  I picked a fortuitous time to go to Fuji last winter - those little cameras are killer hybrids.
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« Reply #5373 on: June 04, 2020, 03:32:35 pm »

James, you can try and recharacterize what I said, but the facts are what they are.  I might add, I never even came close to implying what you wrote and the fact you would distort in such a way shows exactly how shallow of a person you are.  You really a disgrace to civilized conversation and a prime example of why trying to have conversations around charged topics is impossible due to your childish behavior.

Oh stop. Flattery will get you nowhere, you silly goose!

Likewise, you cant blame Trump for the abysmal status of race relations by implying that as president the buck stops with him, then turn around and insist Obama was not guilty of his abysmal status of race relations just because you liked him.

Sure I can (but it's got nothing to do with liking him).  You seem to be under the impression that giving a voice to pissed off black people somehow makes one as equally culpable as the people that they perceive as oppressive, and that "bad race relations" are as much the fault of the oppressed as they are of the oppressors.  Put another way, you want me to believe that black people being outraged about birtherism, for example, are equally to blame for conflict as the guy that put the whole "birther" thing out there in the first place. 

As Elie Wiesel said, "Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented."  You seem to think Obama is to "blame" for bad racial relations because he wouldn't just shut the fuck up.

I blame both Obama for the deterioration of race relations under his watch and Trump for not doing anything to improve them.

Of course you do.
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« Reply #5374 on: June 04, 2020, 05:00:34 pm »

The only flaw in this post is that Obama was not oppressed.  If you disagree, please show me how?  He was an Ivy league educated lawyer that had an equally well educated and successful wife.  He was living pretty high.

The fact that Obama succeeded doesn't refute the existence of racism.  But Clarence Thomas puts it more succinctly:

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"There is nothing you can do to get past black skin. I don't care how educated you are, how good you are at what you do -- you'll never have the same contacts or opportunities, you'll never be seen as equal to whites."

So if that's the only flaw, we're done here :)
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« Reply #5375 on: June 04, 2020, 06:07:25 pm »

The fact that Obama succeeded doesn't refute the existence of racism.  But Clarence Thomas puts it more succinctly:

So if that's the only flaw, we're done here :)

Yet Clarence Thomas is a supreme court justice, the furtherest you can climb in law.  By the way, have you seen the new documentary on him yet? 

Not to mention, when he critiques racism it is largele against white liberal democrats (like yourself) for insisting that all black people must think a certain way (like Biden), thus proving my point that it is the left that breaks people into racial groups much more then the right. 

CT, "The worst things that have been done to me, the worst things that have been said about me, by northern liberal elites, not by the people of Savannah, Georgia.”

Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Candace Owens, David Webb, etc., all people I high respect and listen to would completely disagree with you.  If you want to listen to something that shows exactly how ingrained to the point of religion your idea of wokeness is in liberals, listen to the first few minutes of this Podcast.   

What Happened After I Was Accused of White Privilege (Pt. 1) | David Webb | POLITICS | Rubin Report

David Webb is black and he was doing an over the air interview with a black CNN reporter who could not see him.  The CNN reporter was convinced he was white and told him he had white privilege because of how far he ascended in radio.  That's the only reason she assumed this. 

Your side has it wrong and is pushing a false narrative.  My favorite line in that interview, that clearly shows how you think, is "it's the soft bigotry of low expectations."
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« Reply #5376 on: June 04, 2020, 06:35:16 pm »

Yet Clarence Thomas is a supreme court justice, the furtherest you can climb in law.  Not really much proof of systematic racism.  By the way, have you seen the new documentary on him yet? 

Not to mention, when he critiques racism it is largele against white liberal democrats (like yourself) for insisting that all black people must think a certain way (like Biden), thus proving my point that it is the left that breaks people into racial groups much more then the right. 

CT, "The worst things that have been done to me, the worst things that have been said about me, by northern liberal elites, not by the people of Savannah, Georgia.”

Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Candace Owens, David Webb, etc., all people I high respect and listen to would completely disagree with you.  If you want to listen to something that shows exactly how ingrained to the point of religion your idea of wokeness is in liberals, listen to the first few minutes of this Podcast.   

What Happened After I Was Accused of White Privilege (Pt. 1) | David Webb | POLITICS | Rubin Report

David Webb is black and he was doing an over the air interview with a black CNN reporter who could not see him.  The CNN reporter was convinced he was white and told him we had white privilege because of how far he ascended in radio.  That's the only reason she assumed this. 

Your side has it wrong and is pushing a false narrative.  My favorite line in that interview, that clearly shows how you think, is "it's the soft bigotry of low expectations."

Patently untrue, and a totally scurrilous accusation!  I have very low expectations of you, and I'm pretty sure you're white.  (But I commend your mastery of conservative buzzwords like "liberal elite" and "wokeness.")

Edit:  I'll check out the podcast though.  Also, Candace Owens is an idiot.


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« Reply #5377 on: June 04, 2020, 07:24:28 pm »

We can't have a conversation if we are divided on what facts are?  Seriously. 
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« Reply #5378 on: June 04, 2020, 07:25:22 pm »

Patently untrue, and a totally scurrilous accusation!  I have very low expectations of you, and I'm pretty sure you're white.  (But I commend your mastery of conservative buzzwords like "liberal elite" and "wokeness.")

Edit:  I'll check out the podcast though.  Also, Candace Owens is an idiot.

I'll agree that Candace is a little too over the top. 

But anyway, you cant take in what you dish out?  You have shown no evidence of what you preach, only that we should repeat and except as true. 

I dont see people as part of a group of superficial definitions, but as an Americans, judging them individually. 
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« Reply #5379 on: June 04, 2020, 07:51:12 pm »

Stand up for what is wrong!   You know you are morally and ethically wrong.  Stand Up for Racism!!!
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