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mcrepsej

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Qimage vs. Mirage rip. Is Mirage much better?
« on: March 18, 2020, 07:38:22 am »

Today I use Qimage rip and am happy with it, but am curious to know if I will get a better rip in Mirage rip?
What is your experience?
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Re: Qimage vs. Mirage rip. Is Mirage much better?
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2020, 03:42:25 am »

I'm also curious about this. I don't use either at the moment, but I have been thinking about it. But I don't really know why Qimage Ultimate is about AU$125 and Mirage 4 for a 17" printer is AU$450.
That's a fairly hefty price jump...
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Re: Qimage vs. Mirage rip. Is Mirage much better?
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2020, 03:59:40 am »

I'm also curious about this. I don't use either at the moment, but I have been thinking about it. But I don't really know why Qimage Ultimate is about AU$125 and Mirage 4 for a 17" printer is AU$450.
That's a fairly hefty price jump...

And Qimage Ultimate is compatible with all printers that have an OEM Windows driver. Though it has its flaws with HP wide format printers.
Qimage One covers it for both Windows and iOS printer drivers.


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Re: Qimage vs. Mirage rip. Is Mirage much better?
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2020, 04:15:01 am »

Qimage isn't a RIP (Raster Image Processor) and doesn't use its own drivers.
Mirage is a RIP, but not sure if it uses its own driver or not, as some RIPs don't.
Both are available on free trial.

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Re: Qimage vs. Mirage rip. Is Mirage much better?
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2020, 04:27:09 am »

Mirage is an extension on top of the Epson, Canon drivers. Basically encapsulating these. And indeed mirage is not a rip nor is qimage or qone.
Mirage claims to be fast, and it does start quick with printing.
The user-experience for both are up to the user to judge. Run the free trials.


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Re: Qimage vs. Mirage rip. Is Mirage much better?
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2020, 04:28:29 am »

The key question however is your specification of ‘better’. Can you elaborate on that ?
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Re: Qimage vs. Mirage rip. Is Mirage much better?
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2020, 06:06:05 am »


Mirage is a RIP, but not sure if it uses its own driver or not, as some RIPs don't.


Well if you are unsure about that, there is little left for the distinction RIP or no RIP between QU and Mirage. It is usually the only thing left to separate RIPs from print software relying on OEM printer drivers.

The Dinax.com pages do not mention the word RIP for Mirage. Like with several RIP manufacturers it could rely on printer manufacturer's alike algorithms for that last step in the printer datastream. The reason: about 12 years ago the OEM drivers showed better image quality by improved droplet placement algorithms than the RIPs of that period did. So the RIP manufacturers bought the same algorithms to integrate in their RIPs. There are companies selling that kind of algorithms. Apart from special print jobs by special printers on special media, all less likely used by photographers, I do not see image quality differences between RIPs and OEM printer drivers for the photo printers we discuss here. Way more important are the apps/tools used before the printer drivers start to act.

Whether other features of Mirage qualify it as a RIP: 16 bit pipeline, CMYK + Lab image support?  Qimage Ultimate uses 16 bit steps in some parts of its computation but Mike is not convinced that there is an improvement when 16 bit printer driver data lands in the printer. For Photographers the CMYK output has no advantage. Lab might but I'm not familiar with that, intrigued though.

Where it really counts are first of all: reliable colour management (preferably not as a black box but easy to set and transparent in what it does). Then excellent resampling, print sharpening and anti-aliasing algorithms. Followed by: images nesting (so media economy, easy cutting, etc) , good job control and job recall, template and job settings saves, border features, canvas shrink compensation, canvas border features, cutting mark choices, proof printing features and another 100 features that may be handy. A lot of what is available in QU I never use but I still have a wish list for other features. Mike tends to listen. If Mirage has that all as well and as good it may be called a RIP in my book, whatever that means today.


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Re: Qimage vs. Mirage rip. Is Mirage much better?
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2020, 08:34:41 pm »

My understanding is that Mirage is not a true RIP.  I don't own it, but I've done print comparisons with a colleague who does and I couldn't spot the difference.  Given this, I've never understood why a Windows user would opt for Mirage over Qimage.  Sure the UI is a bit quirky, but the price difference is quite large.  For what?  For a long time Mac users didn't have this choice, but they do now.  I'd be interested to hear from a Mirage user who thinks that there are significant benefits over Qimage.
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Re: Qimage vs. Mirage rip. Is Mirage much better?
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2020, 11:32:48 am »

"Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." Attributed to Voltaire
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