Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?

[Peter McLennan]

That doesn't make him a pig... just observant. If you look like a fat cow, someone will spell it out.

As for grabbing, he didn't do it in a gas station to unknown women (he has a good taste). Women that came that close to him came there to be grabbed,

And yes, we want a real man for President, not some sissy.

Moderator:  Are we expected to swallow this level of invective without protest?

[chez]

Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control.”

Jan. 24: “It will all work out well.”

Jan. 29: “Just received a briefing on the Coronavirus in China from all of our GREAT agencies, who are also working closely with China. We will continue to monitor the ongoing developments. We have the best experts anywhere in the world, and they are on top of it 24/7!”

Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for it. So that I can assure you.”

Feb. 2: “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China. … We can’t have thousands of people coming in who may have this problem, the coronavirus. So we’re gonna see what happens, but we did shut it down, yes.”

Feb. 7: “Nothing is easy, but [Chinese President Xi Jinping] … will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone.”

Feb. 10: “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.”

Feb. 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”

Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. … Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

Feb. 25: “You may ask about the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it, and the people that have it are … getting better. They’re all getting better. … As far as what we’re doing with the new virus, I think that we’re doing a great job.”

Feb. 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus, including the very early closing of our borders to certain areas of the world.”

Feb. 27: “Only a very small number in U.S., & China numbers look to be going down. All countries working well together!”

Feb. 28: “I think it’s really going well. We did something very fortunate: we closed up to certain areas of the world very, very early — far earlier than we were supposed to. I took a lot of heat for doing it. It turned out to be the right move, and we only have 15 people and they are getting better, and hopefully they’re all better. There’s one who is quite sick, but maybe he’s gonna be fine. … We’re prepared for the worst, but we think we’re going to be very fortunate."

Feb. 28: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

Feb. 29: “We’re the number-one travel destination anywhere in the world, yet we have far fewer cases of the disease than even countries with much less travel or a much smaller population.”

March 4: “Some people will have this at a very light level and won’t even go to a doctor or hospital, and they’ll get better. There are many people like that.”

March 5: “With approximately 100,000 CoronaVirus cases worldwide, and 3,280 deaths, the United States, because of quick action on closing our borders, has, as of now, only 129 cases (40 Americans brought in) and 11 deaths.”

March 6: “We did an interview on Fox last night, a town hall. I think it was very good. And I said, ‘Calm. You have to be calm. It’ll go away.' ”

March 7: “It came out of China, and we heard about it. And made a good move: We closed it down; we stopped it. Otherwise — the head of CDC said last night that you would have thousands of more problems if we didn’t shut it down very early. That was a very early shutdown, which is something we got right."

March 8: Retweets a story about Surgeon General Jerome Adams playing down the risk of coronavirus for Trump personally.

March 9: “The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant. Surgeon General, ‘The risk is low to the average American.’ ”

March 10: “As you know, it’s about 600 cases, it’s about 26 deaths, within our country. And had we not acted quickly, that number would have been substantially more.”

March 10: “And it hit the world. And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

March 11: “I think we’re going to get through it very well.”

March 12: “It’s going to go away. ... The United States, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point … when you look at the kind of numbers that you’re seeing coming out of other countries, it’s pretty amazing when you think of it.”




https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/12/trump-coronavirus-timeline/

Now that's someone I want to fall in line and follow. Talk about being totally incompetent. What a f'ing joke.

[JoeKitchen]

Moderator:  Are we expected to swallow this level of invective without protest?

I normally would not get in the middle this, especially since Slobo obviously stepped in it here. 

However, I find it disconcerting in our current political climate that one can be offend here but be perfectly fine with a blanketed prejudicial statement that all Trump voters "were willing to endorse this," with "this" being grabbing women's crotches.  Thus implying every Trump voter is immoral while completely ignoring the realities of having only a binary option where it is impossible for either choice to be perfect. 

You either admonish both or neither.  Or do what I did, make a subtle joke at the poster's expense and move on. 

[SharonVL]

I normally would not get in the middle this, especially since Slobo obviously stepped in it here. 

However, I find it disconcerting in our current political climate that one can be offend here but be perfectly fine with a blanketed prejudicial statement that all Trump voters "were willing to endorse this," with "this" being grabbing women's crotches.  Thus implying every Trump voter is immoral while completely ignoring the realities of having only a binary option where it is impossible for either choice to be perfect. 

You either admonish both or neither.  Or do what I did, make a subtle joke at the poster's expense and move on.

A person is not separate from their character. If you know a candidate has said what Trump said, you can’t say I vote for the man but not his character. So I do think you have to own that. He thinks he can say anything. It’s his supporters responsibility to hold his feet to the fire.

[chez]

A person is not separate from their character. If you know a candidate has said what Trump said, you can’t say I vote for the man but not his character. So I do think you have to own that. He thinks he can say anything. It’s his supporters responsibility to hold his feet to the fire.

If his supporters don't keep him in check...then who?

[Alan Klein]

A person is not separate from their character. If you know a candidate has said what Trump said, you can’t say I vote for the man but not his character. So I do think you have to own that. He thinks he can say anything. It’s his supporters responsibility to hold his feet to the fire.

I agree that Trump says things that make you squirm at times.  And I'm no choir boy having grown up in NYC and lived in  Queens where the president did.  But his earlier comments about women was locker room talk made in private and secretly recorded.  Both men and women often talk in hard sexual terms at times.  Probably his philandering at times is more to your point.

However, since he's gone public, as president, he seems to have kept the highest moral basis between himself and his wife and has an exemplary relationship with his children and family.  While we all want our president to maintain the highest moral character, they're also human and we often let those things pass if they are effective leaders and get the job done.  Being president is not like being head of the local temperance movement.  A president has to know how to be tough, decisive and effective.  He has to have shown the ability to get things done.

Trump has those qualities as well.  Nothing's perfect.  You have to take the bad with the good.  After all, we have to compare leaders to their competitors.  And certainly, Hillary was no model for honesty, fairness and moral turpitude.  By the way, Biden's no choir boy either and has many warts as well.  So unless you plan on staying home, you're going to have to pick a candidate who probably won't meet your standards.  Such is life.

[JoeKitchen]

A person is not separate from their character. If you know a candidate has said what Trump said, you can’t say I vote for the man but not his character. So I do think you have to own that. He thinks he can say anything. It’s his supporters responsibility to hold his feet to the fire.

No, you're wrong!

Voting for someone is not the same as choosing to be friends with that same person.  If I chose to be friends with Trump, I would understand your moral argument here with the context of guilt by association.  Additionally, if there was concrete evidence of physical unethical behavior like with Roy Moore or Katie Hill, I would also tend to agree with you. 

But all we have is braggadocio that was more then likely nothing but locker room banter.  Although certainly not appropriate, not something you have the right to hang over the heads of all people who voted for Trump. Especially given the option to choose between only two different candidates, both with serious character flaws. 

I'll end with this.  Should we assume that every Hillary voter not only needs to own but also endorse vindictively publicly destroying and shaming sexual assault victims, because that is what Hillary did to all of Bill's accusers, and I don't remember her ever apologizing for it.  I just cant believe this was so over looked, right?  And don't give the excuse that it was a long time ago, because the Trump quote you have problems was also from a long time ago. 

[SharonVL]

No I’m not wrong. I have a different opinion. I hope our next president will make America good again.

[Alan Klein]

No I’m not wrong. I have a different opinion. I hope our next president will make America good again.

But America has never stopped being good.

[JoeKitchen]

No I’m not wrong. I have a different opinion. I hope our next president will make America good again.

Yet you wont answer my question.  Do own Hillary's actions like you insist I own Trump's?.  Do you enforce your sense of morality you direct towards conservatives onto yourself? 

Do you own and endorse the public shaming of sexual assault victims, like Hillary did to all of Bill's accusers? 

[JoeKitchen]

When did I say I supported Hilary?

Okay, lets say Hillary voters then.

Do you accuse all Hillary voters of owning and endorsing the public shaming of sexual assault victims?  Yes or no? 

You don't need to say if you voted for Hillary or not.  But if you cant hold Hillary voters to same standards you are holding Trump voters to, over pretty much the same thing, sexual assault, your argument has no validity. 

Like I said to Peter, either you admonish both, or you cant admonish either. 

PS
FYI, I personally don't insist either Hillary voters nor Trump voters own their candidates words, nor judge them personally immoral for voting for either.  Doing so would be unproductive, plus if we truly did, I doubt anyone would ever be considered fit for office nor would anyone ever be fit to vote. 

[SharonVL]

Okay, lets say Hillary voters then.

Do you accuse all Hillary voters of owning and endorsing the public shaming of sexual assault victims?

Hillary is not the president. If she were I would expect her supporters to require her to behave in a presidential manner and respect ALL Americans - women, people of color, immigrants, poor people.  We have to choose between two imperfect people every election. You should be willing to hold the candidate you vote for accountable.

[SharonVL]

We aren’t going to agree so there is no reason to continue this. Im not saying that petulantly. I just don’t want to be in strife.

[JoeKitchen]

Hillary is not the president. If she were I would expect her supporters to require her to behave in a presidential manner and respect ALL Americans - women, people of color, immigrants, poor people.  We have to choose between two imperfect people every election. You should be willing to hold the candidate you vote for accountable.

Yet all of these things would examples of actions within her presidency, not before it, unlike the primary Trump quote you have issue with.  It is not an apples to apples comparison. 

I also don't buy your copout of Hillary not being the president.  You whole basis on this particular immorality is solely based on the action of voting.  Just as many, actually a little more, took the same action in regards to Hillary.  Your litmus test here applies to Hillary voters just as much as to Trump voters regardless of who won. 

Anyway, like I said before, you cant admonish one and not the other.  There is no virtue in it and reeks of hypocrisy. 

[SharonVL]

Well who said i didnt think she was wrong? You make all kind of assumptions. You have called me a liberal. I am not.

[SharonVL]

I was a life-long Texan until I moved to Nantucket in 2004. I am more conservative than liberal. 

[Alan Klein]

Trump could walk on water and opponents would complain that he's doing that because he doesn't know how to swim. 

[SharonVL]

I would agree that there is a knee jerk reaction to much of what he does that isn't fair.

[Peter McLennan]

Like I said to Peter, either you admonish both, or you cant admonish either. 

You may have mis-read my post.  If so, I'd appreciate it if you re-read it.

To be clear, the invective I referred to came from Slobodan, not Trump.