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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2020, 10:52:38 am »

If we look at Dow Jones index, a drop from almost 30,000 to 24,850 constitutes about 17% decline.
Apple dropped from $327 to $262, that's about 20% decline. Many other stocks dropped even steeper.

Right, but is that historically the largest decline?

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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2020, 11:00:33 am »

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« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2020, 11:22:44 am »

I read that it was the biggest drop ever, but maybe just in the 7 days time frame. Anyway, it's bad enough and the downturn may still be not finished.

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The Dow is coming off its worst-ever point drop, while the S&P 500 Index plummeted into a correction at a historically rapid pace.

The Dow is coming off its worst-ever point drop, while the S&P 500 Index plummeted into a correction at a historically rapid pace.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-market-news-live-updates-february-28-2020-234447699.html
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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2020, 11:55:53 am »

I read that it was the biggest drop ever, but maybe just in the 7 days time frame. Anyway, it's bad enough and the downturn may still be not finished.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-market-news-live-updates-february-28-2020-234447699.html

I think a whole bunch of people may well make a huge fortune buying on the drop.
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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2020, 11:58:37 am »

I think a whole bunch of people may well make a huge fortune buying on the drop.
Timing the market is perilous.  What if the virus really hits and economies collapse and the market drop by 50% after you buy what you thought was the bottom?  And then it sits there for the next twenty years.  I'm too old to wait for a recovery.  Now, if you're a young person, I would invest.

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« Reply #45 on: February 28, 2020, 12:11:42 pm »

Timing the market is perilous.  What if the virus really hits and economies collapse and the market drop by 50% after you buy what you thought was the bottom?  And then it sits there for the next twenty years. I'm too old to wait for a recovery.  Now, if you're a young person, I would invest.

Warren Buffet is older, and I bet he is now buying.
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« Reply #46 on: February 28, 2020, 02:47:25 pm »

Warren Buffet is older, and I bet he is now buying.
Well, he plans to live to 130. Actually it could be a good time to buy.  I think there a lot of fear being driven by American politics from democrats who want the market to collapse to hurt Trump for the upcoming election.  Cable news keep talking how the administration doesn't know what it's doing, things are a mess, things are terrible.  They said the same things with SARS and ebola.  I'm not saying it won;t disrupt the economies of the world.  But is it really that bad or just a lot of speculation? 

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« Reply #47 on: February 28, 2020, 03:09:01 pm »

I think there a lot of fear being driven by American politics from democrats who want the market to collapse to hurt Trump for the upcoming election.
Which Democrats want the market to collapse? I try to keep up but must have missed that.
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« Reply #48 on: February 28, 2020, 03:11:11 pm »

I think a whole bunch of people may well make a huge fortune buying on the drop.


Exactly as some did out of the collapsing pound during the Brexit mess.

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« Reply #49 on: February 28, 2020, 03:18:31 pm »

Which Democrats want the market to collapse? I try to keep up but must have missed that.
Do you really think they're going to publicly say, "Boy, let's spread a lot of fear so the market drops and the voters punish Trump."

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« Reply #50 on: February 28, 2020, 03:21:11 pm »

Do you really think they're going to publicly say, "Boy, let's spread a lot of fear so the market drops and the voters punish Trump."
So this is some kind of inside information you have?
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« Reply #51 on: February 28, 2020, 03:23:13 pm »

So this is some kind of inside information you have?
Don't be naive. 

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« Reply #52 on: February 28, 2020, 03:29:59 pm »

Don't be naive.
I am just trying to figure out where you come up with this stuff.
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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #53 on: February 28, 2020, 03:30:28 pm »

There's more going on here than the virus, although that could be bad. I read a story in the Atlantic which interviewed a couple of prominent epidemiologists who believe that we will have a fullscale pandemic, and that it's too late to stop it. Their thinking is quite interesting. In cases like SARS or MERS, you get very rapid onset and the disease is instantly seen as very serious and so gets immediate attention, and then, of course, many of the potential spreaders...die. The problem with the new virus is that some people get it but are asymptomatic or only mildly ill, so they continue working and traveling and spreading the disease. Still, it may kill up to 2% of the people who get it. If spread widely, like the flu in the US (as the flu would be without vaccines) we could have a couple of million people die.

But, there's more going on in the market. For one thing, it was too high, being held up by traders and hot air. It was way overdue for a drop of some dimension, a correction, if not an actual bear market. These things happen every few years, in normal times, which we've not been having. And the other thing, of course, is Bernie. If it looks like the Dems may nominate Bernie, the market will take an even bigger hit. I doubt the Dems are crazy enough to do that, but that may not be what the overall market thinks. (I stay this as a moderately liberal Democrat.)

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« Reply #54 on: February 28, 2020, 03:32:23 pm »

I am just trying to figure out where you come up with this stuff.
You're not paying attention.  Politics ain't beanball.

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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #55 on: February 28, 2020, 03:33:03 pm »

I am just trying to figure out where you come up with this stuff.

Here is one example, though a bit older than the virus scare:

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/456942-bill-maher-roots-for-recession-so-that-trump-loses-in-2020

"Bill Maher roots for recession so that Trump loses in 2020"

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Comedian Bill Maher on Friday said he "really" wished there was another economic recession, arguing such an event would ruin President Trump's chances of winning reelection.

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Maher made similar comments last June on his show, at the time saying "bring on the recession" to get rid of the president.

"Sorry if that hurts people but it's either root for a recession or you lose your democracy," he said last year.

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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #56 on: February 28, 2020, 03:38:53 pm »

Here is one example, though a bit older than the virus scare:

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/456942-bill-maher-roots-for-recession-so-that-trump-loses-in-2020

"Bill Maher roots for recession so that Trump loses in 2020"

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They don't really care about the country. It's all about political power and who's got it. 

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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2020, 03:39:59 pm »

A detailed overview of the Corona virus in The New York Times:

"How Bad Will the
Coronavirus Outbreak Get?
Here Are 6 Key Factors"

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/asia/china-coronavirus-contain.html?fbclid=IwAR0ZrFUJfrSpbc4nT_x-MrVlMs4-z4bSRIukq5LuHsxX0wICtTz3YC_UL7A

This chart puts it into perspective:

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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2020, 03:45:27 pm »

They don't really care about the country. It's all about political power and who's got it. 

To be fair, no party cares about the whole country. Parties represent their constituents, and the constituents' interests. They all want power so that they can advance their constituents' interests. If there were a country or society in the world where people wouldn't have competing and differing interests and views, there would be only one party.

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« Reply #59 on: February 28, 2020, 03:48:47 pm »

To be fair, no party cares about the whole country. Parties represent their constituents, and the constituents' interests. They all want power so that they can advance their constituents' interests. If there were a country or society in the world where people wouldn't have competing and differing interests and views, there would be only one party.
My point is an old expression about American politics:- Our arguments stop at our shore.  We pulled together when a common problem threatened.  It doesn;t seem that way anymore.  No one seems to care about the country in general. It all comes to to how much your side can gain from a crisis.  If the country gets hurt in the process, well, that's just the way it is. 
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