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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2020, 04:05:58 pm »

Why?  It's called personal freedom. The guy made a choice, and it appears he choose badly.  You have to wonder if he decided a new iPhone or cable tv was more important to him than better health coverage?

But back to the article, it was not espousing universal "free" healthcare.  It was nothing more than an attack on the President thinly veiled.



I know of no country that has a complete national health service, that precludes anyone from buying any kind of private health insurance that their heart may desire. Now that's freedom of choice: go with either system as suits you best at the time. It's exactly what my wife and I did for many years until she discovered that the cancer care she got privately was in no way better than the national one into which she fell by accident one day. That was the prime reason we stopped the private one, though the price was increadingly painful to bear as well.

It's nice to have it both ways, and to know you won't be out on your ass if you become poor or find yourself in an emergency in a hospital that doesn't accept your card, as happened to me once when I was transferred from one private hospital to another because the first one didn't do stents. That was why I had to pay for it up front and get the money back later as it was not my choice of going there, but the action of the first hospital in sending me. What a mess when money and hospitals mix.

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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2020, 09:34:38 pm »


I know of no country that has a complete national health service, that precludes anyone from buying any kind of private health insurance that their heart may desire.

Thats not the case in Canada for example ( and if I have this incorrect would some Canadian please correct me). 

In Canada you can buy suplimental insurance to cover things not covered by the natioanl plan, but you cannot buy private insurance that covers things the national plan covers.

And thats what Bernies Medicare for all does as well.  Only suplimental plans since Medicare only covers 80% ( a point many who favor his plan know nothing about..all they hear is free)

Of course the goal here is to force eveyone into one system and to eliminate a perhaps better secondary market outside of MFA.
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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2020, 04:39:09 am »

Thats not the case in Canada for example ( and if I have this incorrect would some Canadian please correct me). 

In Canada you can buy suplimental insurance to cover things not covered by the natioanl plan, but you cannot buy private insurance that covers things the national plan covers.

And thats what Bernies Medicare for all does as well.  Only suplimental plans since Medicare only covers 80% ( a point many who favor his plan know nothing about..all they hear is free)

Of course the goal here is to force eveyone into one system and to eliminate a perhaps better secondary market outside of MFA.

If what you write about Canada is correct, then Spain is way ahead.

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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2020, 09:53:34 am »

Thats not the case in Canada for example ( and if I have this incorrect would some Canadian please correct me). 

In Canada you can buy suplimental insurance to cover things not covered by the natioanl plan, but you cannot buy private insurance that covers things the national plan covers.

And thats what Bernies Medicare for all does as well.  Only suplimental plans since Medicare only covers 80% ( a point many who favor his plan know nothing about..all they hear is free)

Of course the goal here is to force eveyone into one system and to eliminate a perhaps better secondary market outside of MFA.
My wife and I are on Medicare.  It pays 80% of their schedule rates for medical fees. We're responsible to pay the other 20%.  But we have another private plan that we pay for that picks up where Medicare ends. We have co-pays on drugs.   

We pay for Medicare.  It's not free.  Depending on your income it costs around $145 per person per month or $3500 per couple per year.  That's minimum.  Depending on income, it goes up from there.  The premiums are deducted by the government from your Social Security check.  So the idea Medicare is free, isn;t true even for the elderly who are covered. It also doesn;t cover doctors who have "opted out".  If you want to see those doctors, you have to pay their higher fees fully on your own out-of-pocket.  Neither Medicare nor your secondary insurance pays anything.  So the better doctors are for the rich.  Before we retired and went on Medicare, we had a private plan that covered all doctors.  So if they create Medicare for all, many more doctors  will opt out and people will have to use worse doctors.  So our medical care will go down not up. Lower fees will also attract less qualified people to medicine so that will also reduce the quality of medical care.

Employee's salaries are taxed at 1.4% which is matched by their employer while you are working before you start to collect.  So if you earn let's say $50,000 a year, you pay $700 and your employer pays an equal amount.  If you earn a million a year, then you pay $14,000 and your employer contributes an equal $14,000.  There's no top limit on Medicare deduction from salaries.  A big time ball player who earns $10 million would pay $140,000 and his team employer would also contribute $140,000. 

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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2020, 09:59:53 am »

Dental care is not covered at all by the Federal government..

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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2020, 10:29:35 am »

DOW down another 750 points. My wife bought face masks.  We may have to move to Cuba for medical care. 

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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2020, 10:44:13 am »

DOW down another 750 points. My wife bought face masks.  We may have to move to Cuba for medical care.

Actually, buying stocks at these depressed prices may be more prudent than buying the masks. 
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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2020, 10:50:28 am »

Actually, buying stocks at these depressed prices may be more prudent than buying the masks.

I'm watching my Apple drop big time today again. (along will all of the rest of my shares)  I resisted selling at $324...I'll blame that on my wife :). Considering where I got in for most of my shares I'm still up on APPL bigly.

But buy on the bad news...so in a few more days it might be time for another large investment.

This is however a pretty big hit on our retirement funds...and everyone else.
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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2020, 11:39:23 am »

The epidemics will likely get worse everywhere and I don't think US will be that lucky to prevent it from happening here.
The problem for a widespread infection is not only its mortality per se, now said to be 2% or so, but overwhelming the already stretched medical system in US. The sicker patients with other problems won't be able to be taken care off properly because the resources are limited.

Btw, this weekend I watched again Contagion. Quite realistic in how things can develop, even if the virus from the movie had a much higher mortality.

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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2020, 02:34:58 pm »

Hopefully it's bark will be worse than its bite.

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« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2020, 03:48:18 pm »

One Iranian Cleric appears to have a novel cure for Coronavirus....

"Before bedtime, drench some cotton in violet oil and apply onto your anus"

 https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/2/25/applying-essential-oil-to-anus-cures-coronavirus-iranian-cleric
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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2020, 03:55:15 pm »

Sounds like a solid solution to the Democrats' political problem, Craig.
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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2020, 04:24:52 pm »

One Iranian Cleric appears to have a novel cure for Coronavirus....

"Before bedtime, drench some cotton in violet oil and apply onto your anus"

 https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/2/25/applying-essential-oil-to-anus-cures-coronavirus-iranian-cleric

No doubt, that would fix also many other ailments. Or attract some young virgins.
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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2020, 04:26:55 pm »

One Iranian Cleric appears to have a novel cure for Coronavirus....

"Before bedtime, drench some cotton in violet oil and apply onto your anus"

 https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/2/25/applying-essential-oil-to-anus-cures-coronavirus-iranian-cleric

Nothing new here!! ;~)

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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2020, 09:46:43 pm »

One Iranian Cleric appears to have a novel cure for Coronavirus....

"Before bedtime, drench some cotton in violet oil and apply onto your anus"

 https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/2/25/applying-essential-oil-to-anus-cures-coronavirus-iranian-cleric
I wonder of that's good for hemorrhoids?

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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2020, 03:59:06 am »

One Iranian Cleric appears to have a novel cure for Coronavirus....

"Before bedtime, drench some cotton in violet oil and apply onto your anus"

 https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/2/25/applying-essential-oil-to-anus-cures-coronavirus-iranian-cleric


More serious and concerning is the reporting, further into the link, that looks into the Israeli settlements and the latest proposal to build even more - possibly a nice carrot to aim some voters in certain directions in the upcoming elections there. They sure do cynicism well, don't they! One can see the connections with the same in the States and Britain; the new order of honest men, then.

;-)

Rob

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« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2020, 10:01:25 am »


More serious and concerning is the reporting, further into the link, that looks into the Israeli settlements and the latest proposal to build even more - possibly a nice carrot to aim some voters in certain directions in the upcoming elections there. They sure do cynicism well, don't they! One can see the connections with the same in the States and Britain; the new order of honest men, then.

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Rob

I'll be quire honest with you, I could care less what the folks in the Middle East do at this point.  We have lost enough blood and treasure trying to figure it out.  If they want to continue to kill each other endlessly, then by all means have at it.
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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2020, 10:03:07 am »

Apparently, this (5,000 points or $5 trillion in the last 7 days) is the biggest market drop in the entire history.
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Re: Dow down 1900 in two days; Corona virus prediction?
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2020, 10:19:15 am »

Apparently, this (5,000 points or $5 trillion in the last 7 days) is the biggest market drop in the entire history.

Percentage-wise?

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« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2020, 10:34:09 am »

Percentage-wise?

If we look at Dow Jones index, a drop from almost 30,000 to 24,850 constitutes about 17% decline.
Apple dropped from $327 to $262, that's about 20% decline. Many other stocks dropped even steeper.
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