Democrat Nomination for President

[JoeKitchen]

That was the midnight report, by now she will be trailing Bernie and Pete.

Well you better hope not Sanders.  New Gallop poll last month found that 53 percent said that they would not vote for their party nominee if they were a, "generally well-qualified person for president who happened to be socialist."

[James Clark]

Well you better hope not Sanders.  New Gallop poll last month found that 53 percent said that they would not vote for their party nominee if they were a, "generally well-qualified person for president who happened to be socialist."

Sanders winning NH doesn't concern me, except that if he wins NH then tanks the hardcore Bernie fans will be out in force spouting their conspiracy theories.

[JoeKitchen]

Sanders winning NH doesn't concern me, except that if he wins NH then tanks the hardcore Bernie fans will be out in force spouting their conspiracy theories.

It really is amazing, everyone is pretty much saying it is Bloomberg's primary to loose right now. 

But every time I read these opinions, I cant help but think of my brother (hardcore Bernie Bro) going off the rails over a Bloomberg candidacy but only displeased about a Trump presidency.  Perhaps it was more of a brief realization that he does not truly understand the reality of his party, his Inspector Javier moment.   

Anyway, everyone said it was Biden's to loose, and Buttigieg's to loose, and Warren's to loose, and new Bloomberg's to loose. 

Perhaps the terror will really come to fruition and you will be forced to defend a socialist who once said Castro was a better person than JFK, and has never recanted it.

[James Clark]

Perhaps the terror will really come to fruition and you will be forced to defend a socialist who once said Castro was a better person than JFK, and has never recanted it.

No idea why you think I'd defend Bernie.   I live in Texas, so I have the luxury of being able to vote my conscience because Texas is still reliably red.  Not that I would ever vote for Donald Trump, but if my real-life choices are Trump or Bernie, I could easily vote Libertarian again (as I did in 2012). 

[JoeKitchen]

No idea why you think I'd defend Bernie.   I live in Texas, so I have the luxury of being able to vote my conscience because Texas is still reliably red.  Not that I would ever vote for Donald Trump, but if my real-life choices are Trump or Bernie, I could easily vote Libertarian again (as I did in 2012).

I meant "you" as in the Democrat party, not you specifically.  Apologies. 

However, I do see some light.  It seems that those in the media are realizing their mistakes and coming to grips with Bernie.  Chris Matthews is now talking against Sanders. 

[LesPalenik]

Bloomberg is an opportunist.  He'll switch because he's a politician.  All phonies.   Trump said stuff 40 years ago that he stands by today. That's why people hate him.  And like him.

Maybe he is standing by some of the stuff 40 years ago. But now, there is much more stuff, on which he changes his stand overnight.

[Alan Klein]

Maybe he is standing by some of the stuff 40 years ago. But now, there is much more stuff, on which he changes his stand overnight.

List some important stuff he's changed his mind over.  The stuff I'm talking about for example is trade agreements that took advantage of America.  He's changed NAFTA and working on others.  China stealing our stuff and creating an unfair business environment for foreign businesses in their country.   Illegals taking jobs away from Americans.  These are things he complained about years ago.  Iran comes to mind as well.  NATO 2%. 

[Alan Klein]

Nothing wrong with some of the billionaires. Bloomberg, Musk, Bezos, Branson, Gates, they all seem nice and accomplished fellows.

Democrats are the ones mainly who complain about money running politics.  So here's Bloomberg, a guy who's trying to buy the presidency.  Trump did it on the cheap.  He hardly spent any of his money on it.  But the main point is how can Democrats argue against money in politics and support a guy worth $55 billion who's offering Democrat candidates money for their campaigns (for supporting his presidential run)?  Bloomberg was the NY mayor who bought a third term against the law by promising and helping politicians on NYC's Counsel to change the law so he could run for a third term, which he did and won.  I have to admit also that he screwed me out of an 8% raise in 2008.  It cost me thousands in salary and pension, the jerk. 

[LesPalenik]

List some important stuff he's changed his mind over.  The stuff I'm talking about for example is trade agreements that took advantage of America.  He's changed NAFTA and working on others.  China stealing our stuff and creating an unfair business environment for foreign businesses in their country.   Illegals taking jobs away from Americans.  These are things he complained about years ago.  Iran comes to mind as well.  NATO 2%.

I don't listen to all his speeches, but there are people who keep a detailed record of all his "inaccuracies".
The last twist was that yesterday he asked the Justice Department to reduce Stone's sentence for his crimes, and today he said he stayed out of it.
Call it whatever you like, but from outside it doesn't look very credible.

[LesPalenik]

Democrats are the ones mainly who complain about money running politics.  So here's Bloomberg, a guy who's trying to buy the presidency.  Trump did it on the cheap.  He hardly spent any of his money on it.  But the main point is how can Democrats argue against money in politics and support a guy worth $55 billion who's offering Democrat candidates money for their campaigns (for supporting his presidential run)?  Bloomberg was the NY mayor who bought a third term against the law by promising and helping politicians on NYC's Counsel to change the law so he could run for a third term, which he did and won.  I have to admit also that he screwed me out of an 8% raise in 2008.  It cost me thousands in salary and pension, the jerk. 

I seem to recall, that you said that Trump screwed you also out of some money or contracts.

[Alan Klein]

I don't listen to all his speeches, but there are people who keep a detailed record of all his "inaccuracies".
The last twist was that yesterday he asked the Justice Department to reduce Stone's sentence for his crimes, and today he said he stayed out of it.
Call it whatever you like, but from outside it doesn't look very credible.

Petty stuff.  The fact is Trump kept his word on the important stuff.  All the lists of inaccuracies are "gotchas" because they cannot argue against his big items that he kept his word on from his campaign.  So what about all the Democrats who are running away from all their old statements and positions? "I never said it.  It wasn;t me.  You misunderstood what I said. I must have been ill when I said it. I'm a different person today at 77.  The times were different. Someone twisted my arm. It was taken out of context. I was told the microphone was off."  Did I miss any?

[Alan Klein]

I seem to recall, that you said that Trump screwed you also out of some money or contracts.

Re-read my post.

[LesPalenik]

Re-read my post.

You are right, I didn't remember it correctly, it was an old post. You didn't say that he screwed you, just that he was a lousy payer.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=131029.msg1120137#msg1120137

also:

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=132094.msg1130316#msg1130316

where you said you wouldn't work for a guy like Trump. I can sympathize with you.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Isn’t the Democratic platform that billionaires should not exist?

[Alan Klein]

You are right, I didn't remember it correctly, it was an old post. You didn't say that he screwed you, just that he was a lousy payer.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=131029.msg1120137#msg1120137

also:

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=132094.msg1130316#msg1130316

where you said you wouldn't work for a guy like Trump. I can sympathize with you.

I said Trump like many real estate developers was cheap and I was screwed by one of them who didn't pay my bill, but not Trump.  I never worked for him and would be cautious if I had the opportunity.  Bloomberg screwed me as Mayor when he canceled my 8% raise when I worked for NYC.  He also as mayor failed to negotiate a raise with the teacher's union when my wife was a teacher in NYC.  I would rate him as more concerned with national debt than Trump although I doubt if he would want to use his money to balance the budget.

[LesPalenik]

NH Results:

Bernie Sanders   9   25.7%   71,759
Pete Buttigieg     9   24.4%   68,141
Amy Klobuchar   6   19.8%   55,164
Elizabeth Warren 0   9.3%   25,899
Joe Biden           0   8.4%   23,475

It was widely expected that Bernie Sanders will win, but even more surprising was that Buttiegieg did so well on Sanders' turf and placed within 1% after him.
Amy Klobuchar's surge was also very impressive, getting twice as many votes as Warren and Biden. Not something any of the political analysts were predicting.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

NH Results:

Bernie Sanders   9   25.7%   71,759
Pete Buttigieg     9   24.4%   68,141
Amy Klobuchar   6   19.8%   55,164
Elizabeth Warren 0   9.3%   25,899
Joe Biden           0   8.4%   23,475

It was widely expected that Bernie Sanders will win, but even more surprising was that Buttiegieg did so well on Sanders' turf and placed within 1% after him.
Amy Klobuchar's surge was also very impressive, getting twice as many votes as Warren and Biden. Not something any of the political analysts were predicting.

Which kind of shows that it's still early in the race, and a lot can still happen/change.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

A voting guide for the religious:

"New Political Bible Adds (R) Or (D) After Each Character's Name"

https://babylonbee.com/news/new-political-bible-adds-r-or-d-after-each-characters-name?fbclid=IwAR12uTzT675xXoYnIhS3t7LLQqjZXPrexjKY7eQBQeeUk6WyLfFLPd0Weyo

"Obviously, right off the bat, God is followed by an R, while the serpent is followed by a D," the project's chief editor, Dr. Gary Leyland, told reporters. "Those ones are easy. Some of the other characters are a little tougher, as we have little written evidence of their modern American political ideology. But we can usually figure it out with context. For instance, if a character works a lot and is rich, they're a Republican. If a character is poor and wears sandals, definitely Democrat. Except for Jesus."

"The weird characters no one likes are probably libertarians."

Here are some of the characters whose political identity is revealed for the first time:
...
- Crying baby Jesus: Democrat
- Adolescent Jesus: Libertarian
- Mature, grown-up Jesus: Republican
- Judas Iscariot: Never Trumper but labeled as Democrat for accuracy's sake
...

 

[JoeKitchen]

Good one Slobo, but I much rather enjoyed the article in response to AOC bootstrapping interview.

AOC: 'You Cannot Literally Wrap Your Head Around Something, You Would Get Hurt'

But anyway, getting back to the primary, I'm rooting for Amy.  She is the only sane one right now and it was nice to see her do well.  (Mayor Pete is pretty radical and a horrible Mayor; he will get eaten alive.) 

But anyway, aside from this, the other big story is turnout was low at 2016 level.  It just does not look like the enthusiasm is there this year.  Meanwhile, on the Trump side of things, 50,000+ showed up to a NH rally of which 25% were registered Dems. 

[petermfiore]

Isn’t the Democratic platform that billionaires should not exist?

This has sorta been uttered....By BS