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Caoutchouc
« on: January 11, 2020, 04:32:18 pm »

I’m working on a new series called Caoutchouc, French for Rubber.

Does it work?

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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2020, 04:49:25 pm »

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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2020, 07:49:33 pm »

Interesting framing, Ivo. I like 'em both.
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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2020, 09:47:00 am »

Nice feeling/color/comp of the first image - you've just clipped off the bottom of the chair legs and the bases of the rightmost column pairs though? - not sure about that. Maybe minor but would have gotten those elements in the frame.
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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2020, 10:23:57 am »

Nice feeling/color/comp of the first image - you've just clipped off the bottom of the chair legs and the bases of the rightmost column pairs though? - not sure about that. Maybe minor but would have gotten those elements in the frame.

Well, I try to bring a certain uncomfortableness, ominously atmosphere in the images.
The main reason of this shot is the location (Antwerp central station) the location in the location (the Royal lounge) and the date (1905) and the Kings (Leopold II) monogram.
I was hoping that cutting the frame at an unexpected line, it would force the viewer to look further than the obvious.



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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2020, 11:24:48 am »

What does either of them have to do with rubber?

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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2020, 11:49:26 am »

What does either of them have to do with rubber?

Jeremy

Quit a lot, Jeremy. Check out Congo Free State, the pre-colonial period of Belgium.

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_State?wprov=sfti1

That’s the reason I’m working on a series about rubber and what Belgium today is thanks and despite it.

The second image is going to fit later in the series, the link between Congo and (Blood) diamonds is another artefact of Colonial Belgium.
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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2020, 12:14:00 pm »

Quit a lot, Jeremy. Check out Congo Free State, the pre-colonial period of Belgium.

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_State?wprov=sfti1

That’s the reason I’m working on a series about rubber and what Belgium today is thanks and despite it.

The second image is going to fit later in the series, the link between Congo and (Blood) diamonds is another artefact of Colonial Belgium.

Interesting. But the link between Caoutchouc and the railway station is not self evident and needs some explanation.
I'm told that in Brussels there is even a monument to that person Leopold II
Something equivalent to having a monument to Hitler in Berlin. At least IMHO
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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2020, 12:21:30 pm »

Interesting. But the link between Caoutchouc and the railway station is not self evident and needs some explanation.
I'm told that in Brussels there is even a monument to that person Leopold II
Something equivalent to having a monument to Hitler in Berlin. At least IMHO

Actually I’m testing images. The story should emerge from the series once it’s finished.

There are more than one statue of our king. Streets and squares are named to him.  The whole discussion around Leopold and his responsibility in the free state Congo massacre is complex to answer. Therefore I’m searching for how Belgium today is still a reflection of colonial robberies and murder.
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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2020, 12:36:43 pm »

Actually I’m testing images. The story should emerge from the series once it’s finished.

There are more than one statue of our first king. Streets and squares are named to him.  The whole discussion around Leopold and his responsibility in the free state Congo massacre is complex to answer. Therefore I’m searching for how Belgium today is still a reflection of colonial robberies and murder.

I have no idea about Belgium being a reflection of what occurred in Africa but for sure the DRC is a reflection of what happened. You cannot brutalize a society and kill that large a percentage of its population for simple economic expediency without the consequences lingering for generations. My girlfriend flies up there for work now and again. The place is pretty much screwed.

It’s horrifying that there are still statues of Leopold on display. Perhaps a label could simply be attached to the pedestal stating how many millions of people he had killed.
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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2020, 12:58:34 pm »

I have no idea about Belgium being a reflection of what occurred in Africa but for sure the DRC is a reflection of what happened. You cannot brutalize a society and kill that large a percentage of its population for simple economic expediency without the consequences lingering for generations. My girlfriend flies up there for work now and again. The place is pretty much screwed.

It’s horrifying that there are still statues of Leopold on display. Perhaps a label could simply be attached to the pedestal stating how many millions of people he had killed.

Absolutely correct.
All statues in Flanders carry such a label, Martin. The perception of the history is different in the french part of Belgium, I must say. The CRC (contra reformation Catholics) have an even more ‘nuanced’ view one the history.

The strange thing is that in Congo, Leopold is honored (by the regime) as father of the nation.

Central station was a personal gift from Leopold to Antwerp. Leopold invested private money in the Antwerp zoo. In Brussels, a statue of Leopold on a horse is looking over the Matongè neighborhood , can you imagine. Oostende became ‘the’ seaside town of the Belle Époque thanks Leopold’s loot.

It is that what triggered my interest in making a series on the subject.

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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2020, 03:28:27 pm »

Quit a lot, Jeremy. Check out Congo Free State, the pre-colonial period of Belgium.

You're obviously aiming at those better-informed than I. Belgians perhaps. For the rest of the world, I suggest more exposition.

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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2020, 03:35:18 pm »

You're obviously aiming at those better-informed than I. Belgians perhaps. For the rest of the world, I suggest more exposition.

Jeremy

No, I’m aiming at active viewers.
Even Ben Affleck knows about it. And he is not Belgian.  ;)

Try googling Rubber. Check Wiki.

More, In 1909 Your Sir Artur Conan Doyle wrote the book “The Crime of Congo” as a pamflet against the abuse of human rights in the free state Congo, privatly owned by our king. It’s not ‘a Belgian thing’
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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2020, 03:59:30 pm »

I'm aware of the appalling Belgian behaviour in Africa. I would suggest, though, that it will take more than the title "rubber" to make a series of photographs of buildings, however oddly framed, have meaning to most of humanity. Still, it's not my time or pixels, so you carry on.

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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2020, 04:08:55 pm »

I'm aware of the appalling Belgian behaviour in Africa. I would suggest, though, that it will take more than the title "rubber" to make a series of photographs of buildings, however oddly framed, have meaning to most of humanity. Still, it's not my time or pixels, so you carry on.

Jeremy

Most of humanity....... what a dédain, no need for that, Jeremy.

  ::)

To be honest, I’m happy about the reactions, also yours.
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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2020, 04:13:25 pm »

it will take more than the title "rubber" to make a series of photographs of buildings, however oddly framed, have meaning to most of humanity.

Jeremy

It needs more pictures, Jeremy. Thats why it is going to be a series. Will it work? Don’t know. I will find out. Probably it will not be for everybody. I’m fine with that.
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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2020, 04:54:47 pm »

Yawn.

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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2020, 05:21:09 pm »

Actually I’m testing images. The story should emerge from the series once it’s finished.


I needed your explanation for recognizing the building as the façade of a railway station.
I guess the umbrellas are distracting.
The monogram of Leopold takes also some  time to find. Again the lettering on the umbrellas I guess.
Maybe taking the  pics by night? Then they would take out all distracting items...
Just MHO  :)
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Re: Caoutchouc
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2020, 10:47:46 pm »

A photograph frequently walks the line between accessibility/boring and incomprehensibility/interesting. You need to find the balance.
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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2020, 01:03:33 am »

A photograph frequently walks the line between accessibility/boring and incomprehensibility/interesting. You need to find the balance.

It’s a challenge.
I want to make a series that works like a jigsaw puzzle . The more pictures on the table, the clearer the story.
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