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MBehrens

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Windows 10 Print CM Issue
« on: November 04, 2019, 11:47:28 pm »

For some reason my prints have darkens significantly for no particular reason. It has been a few weeks since doing any printing and I ran gamut test print from LR (8.4.1, I upgraded to 9.0 tonight and issue still exists) and the colors were all very much darker, especially the blues.
Attached is a side by side image and print preview from Photoshop that shows the shift clearly. The prints look exactly as the Print Preview shows them from both LR and PS.

Epson SureColor P400
Windows 10 Pro 64bit 1903. All updates applied.
LR and PS are managing colors, CM turned off in the print driver.
I have the correct ICC profile selected.
I uninstalled and reinstalled the printer driver. I removed the ICC profiles for the printer to assure that they renewed.
The LR 9 and PS 20 updates were installed tonight - this was occurring before the upgrade - and the issue is exactly the same after the upgrade.
Monitor was profiled not long ago and the display looks just fine.

I have been printing from this system for years and this is the first issue I have had.
Any ideas are welcome. Thanks in advnace.
 - Morey
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Re: Windows 10 Print CM Issue
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2019, 04:54:07 am »

Some random suggestions;

Have you performed a head check?
Do you have the correct paper type selected?
Do you have the correct black ink installed?
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MBehrens

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Re: Windows 10 Print CM Issue
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2019, 07:57:16 pm »

The print preview in PS has the same color shift so it is not a printer /print head issue.
Confident of the medias type.
A couple of weeks ago I was printing just fine with the printer cartridges that are in the printer now.

My first guess was the ICC file(s) had become corrupt. Uninstalled the printer driver and deleted the ICC files so they would be refreshed. No difference with the reinstalled driver and ICC files.
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Re: Windows 10 Print CM Issue
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2019, 03:31:06 am »

The print preview in PS has the same color shift so it is not a printer /print head issue.
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Yes, or course .. I went brain dead for a minute there.

Many many years ago I had a problem a little like this (more dramatic though) that was only fixed when I started printing letting the printer manage the profile/colour.  I never found out what the issue was and a long time later I tested it with PS again (at the time) and it was suddenly OK again.  Might be worth trying but with your print preview off not sure, and it doesn't get to the root of the problem.
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Re: Windows 10 Print CM Issue
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2019, 12:20:18 pm »

Have you touched the Windows Color management functionaliteit? Looks like double profiling.
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Re: Windows 10 Print CM Issue
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2019, 10:42:41 pm »

I profiled my monitor on 9/22 - spectraview software - I've been using this for a very long time. The images display fine on the monitor. The spectraview applet loads the profile on logon. I really don't think that this is a monitor profile problem.
I opened Windows Color Management and printer does not have a profile assigned. Profile selection: Automatic (recommended)
On the Advanced tab, all selections are System default...
No, I have not done anything in the Windows CM settings. Had to figure out how to get to it to investigate.
I agree it seems like a double profiling, I'm stumped to figure out how it is happening.
Yes, the printer manage colors is an option. I've always used this process with very good results.

Thanks for the suggestions. If you find or think of something else please chime in.
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Re: Windows 10 Print CM Issue
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2019, 01:40:17 pm »

I use ColorNavigator with my Eizo and the new Photoshop's operation is unchanged. Still has the same bugs where 30 bit operation messes up soft proof deep shadow rendering. This can be pretty bad but is fixed by selecting desaturate in color settings. However, this also cuts the 30 bit operation to 24 bit. Not much of a problem with normal photo images with even a tiny bit of noise but shows up on some synthetics. This bug has always been there AFAIK.

But a new bug has popped up. I have a lot (over 1000) profiles of various sorts. The latest Photoshop limits the number of profiles displayed in various menus (soft proof, assign, convert, print) to about 1000. If you have more than that it just drops the rest.
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