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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3740 on: February 02, 2020, 08:46:48 am »

The Democrat party is setting the stage for a brokered convention to get someone who could beat Trump.  Socialists need not apply. Well, if the Republicans can have a billionaire president, so can the Democrats!

Michael Moore: DNC Changing Rules To Allow "Billionaire Republican Mayor Of NYC" Mike Bloomberg On Debate Stage
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/02/01/michael_moore_dnc_changing_rules_to_allow_bloomberg_on_debate_stage_because_he_has_a_billion_fcking_dollars.html

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3741 on: February 02, 2020, 09:35:05 am »

Additional witnesses?

The Senate has not called any witnesses. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

This by itself seems like a derelict of duty ...

The House was the outfit that should have called the witnesses they wanted to hear from. Sure, they wanted to call close Trump advisers, and the administration declined to send them, naturally. The President has every right to confidentiality when it comes to his advisers. If the House didn't like the result they could have taken the situation to the courts. But that wasn't part of their playbook. For one thing, the Democrats want their people to be able to get out there and campaign (ridiculous as their campaigns have been). In addition, the House refused to call witnesses the Republicans wanted to hear from, and refused to allow Republicans to cross-examine the Democrat fabricators. There was plenty of dereliction of duty, Bart, but it wasn't the Senate that was derelict.

But I love it. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot! These guys are using crew-served machine guns. The election will be payback.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3742 on: February 02, 2020, 09:51:51 am »

Actually, Alex Dershowitz's incredibly stupid statement that president can do anything to help his re-election will destroy any credibility the Republicans had.
"If a President thinks his re-election is in the public interest, anything he does in pursuit of his re-election is legal".

That would include arresting your opponent, suppressing evidence, and spreading out daily new lies.
 
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"Every public official that I know believes that his election is in the public interest," Dershowitz said. "And mostly you're right. Your election is in the public interest. And if a president did something that he believes will help him get elected, in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment."
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3743 on: February 02, 2020, 09:53:13 am »

The Democrat party is setting the stage for a brokered convention to get someone who could beat Trump.  Socialists need not apply. Well, if the Republicans can have a billionaire president, so can the Democrats!

Michael Moore: DNC Changing Rules To Allow "Billionaire Republican Mayor Of NYC" Mike Bloomberg On Debate Stage
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/02/01/michael_moore_dnc_changing_rules_to_allow_bloomberg_on_debate_stage_because_he_has_a_billion_fcking_dollars.html

I read last night DNC leaders are mulling a rule change to allow super delegates to vote in the first round.  Talk about a socialism panic.

Well, if they do, there goes the neighborhood ... of downtown Milwaukee that is.   
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3744 on: February 02, 2020, 10:05:30 am »

Actually, Alex Dershowitz's incredibly stupid statement that president can do anything to help his re-election will destroy any credibility the Republicans had.
"If a President thinks his re-election is in the public interest, anything he does in pursuit of his re-election is legal".

That would include arresting your opponent, suppressing evidence, and spreading out daily new lies.
 
Les, He made his point inarticulately and expanded it afterwards.  What he meant and as I stated myself, was that a president often makes public policy with one eye on an election.  He'll ignore what's good for the country by deciding what's good for his re-election. Not only is that legal.  It's what they should do in many cases.  In a democracy, leaders are elected.  They respond to their voters.  When Obama pulled troops out of Iraq in 2011 against his military advisors advice that he would create a vacuum for ISIS, he did it anyway.  Why?  Because he was soon to run for re-election and wanted his voters to know he keeps his word.  So public policy is often decided by what leaders think their voters want from them.  That's the point Dershowitz was making.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3745 on: February 02, 2020, 10:09:39 am »

I read last night DNC leaders are mulling a rule change to allow super delegates to vote in the first round.  Talk about a socialism panic.

Well, if they do, there goes the neighborhood ... of downtown Milwaukee that is.   
I hadn't read that.  So they'll go back to what happened with Hillary and Sanders, when Clinton had all the superdelegates locked up even before the first vote. That should make the Sander's voters happy.  If they pull that again, none of them will show up to vote at all making it really easy for Trump to win.  This is what happens when you don't trust your own voters.  This is what inside politics is all about - the Deep State, that both Sanders and Trump complain about.  The Brexit folks too.   

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3746 on: February 02, 2020, 10:13:23 am »

Les, He made his point inarticulately and expanded it afterwards.  What he meant and as I stated myself, was that a president often makes public policy with one eye on an election.  He'll ignore what's good for the country by deciding what's good for his re-election. Not only is that legal.  It's what they should do in many cases.  In a democracy, leaders are elected.  They respond to their voters.  When Obama pulled troops out of Iraq in 2011 against his military advisors advice that he would create a vacuum for ISIS, he did it anyway.  Why?  Because he was soon to run for re-election and wanted his voters to know he keeps his word.  So public policy is often decided by what leaders think their voters want from them.  That's the point Dershowitz was making.

The point he was making was extremely lame. Trying to justify equally stupid action by Trump, but that doesn't make it right. If anything, actions like this will hurt the Republicans in the long run.

From SNL sketch:
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"What I've learned from this trial is nothing I do or say has any consequence," he says. "The call to Ukraine wasn't perfect, it was illegal.
"I cheat all the time at golf, taxes, wives, elections," he continues. "I cut the funding to the CDC, so this Wang Chung virus is really going to be bad."
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3747 on: February 02, 2020, 10:21:04 am »

There you go again, the tired old trope that if one is a Trump supporter, they must be uneducated.

Not "Trump supporters."  Populists.  Both ends of the spectrum have them and I promise you, if someone wants to post a screed from some rabid Bernie Bro along the same lines, I'll be equally as scornful.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3748 on: February 02, 2020, 10:41:26 am »

I hadn't read that.  So they'll go back to what happened with Hillary and Sanders, when Clinton had all the superdelegates locked up even before the first vote. That should make the Sander's voters happy.  If they pull that again, none of them will show up to vote at all making it really easy for Trump to win.  This is what happens when you don't trust your own voters.  This is what inside politics is all about - the Deep State, that both Sanders and Trump complain about.  The Brexit folks too.   

Pretty much what they are thinking about. 

DNC members discuss rules change to stop Sanders at convention

Along with not showing up to vote, I also think Milwaukee will be burned to the ground by Antifa and Bernie Bros.  The national guard will need to be called in just like with the DNC Chicago convention in 1968. 
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3749 on: February 02, 2020, 10:43:35 am »

Not "Trump supporters."  Populists.  Both ends of the spectrum have them and I promise you, if someone wants to post a screed from some rabid Bernie Bro along the same lines, I'll be equally as scornful.
Actually the founders had very little faith in the public.  Hence, they wrote the COnstitution to have had electors electing the president and state legislatures electing senators before amending it in the 20th century to let the people select their senators.    They feared the public would bankrupt the nation in their ever increasing desire for free things.  When the government ran out of money to pay for those "free" things, government created the Federal Reserve to print money.  The whole thing  all made Bernie Madoff look like a piker. 

Frankly, if education was the standard and guide, why does the Supreme Court have 5 to 4 decisions?  I don;t think anyone here is stupid.  Yet we have very divergent views on things.  These are usually pressed by personality.  Some people are more traditional in their thinking and others more willing to change.  That falls into line with conservative and liberal thinking.  It has little to do with logic.  That's why each side can;t believe the other side thinks that way it does and can be so stupid and illogical.  What's wrong with them? 

We're up to page 188.  How many people here have changed their minds from page 1?  Actually I think there are only three independents left in the entire country.  One is in South Dakota, the other Indiana, and the last is hidden somewhere in Appalachia, state unknown.  He's hiding out from the pollsters who are dying to find out how he's going to vote in November. He may be the key to the election.  I for one hope he stays hidden so there's a point to this thread although I doubt if he's secretly reading it.    :)
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3750 on: February 02, 2020, 10:55:18 am »

Pretty much what they are thinking about. 

DNC members discuss rules change to stop Sanders at convention

Along with not showing up to vote, I also think Milwaukee will be burned to the ground by Antifa and Bernie Bros.  The national guard will need to be called in just like with the DNC Chicago convention in 1968. 

This is the Deep State working, Joe, trying to protect their power, influence, and wealth.  It's what both Trump and Sanders wailed against. Power know no philosophy.  It's all about greed. It's why I oppose government.  It offers good tidings while it has it's hand in your back pocket.  Yet people still fall for its smiles and good wishes ignoring that somewhere down the line, they'll be a payback. 

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3751 on: February 02, 2020, 11:27:52 am »

Actually, Alex Dershowitz's incredibly stupid statement that president can do anything to help his re-election will destroy any credibility the Republicans had.
"If a President thinks his re-election is in the public interest, anything he does in pursuit of his re-election is legal".

That would include arresting your opponent, suppressing evidence, and spreading out daily new lies.
 

How about shooting your opponent on 5th Avenue?

Dershowitz is a slimy, vile character so naturally he is drawn to Trump.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3752 on: February 02, 2020, 11:39:35 am »

The Democrat party is setting the stage for a brokered convention to get someone who could beat Trump.  Socialists need not apply. Well, if the Republicans can have a billionaire president, so can the Democrats!

Michael Moore: DNC Changing Rules To Allow "Billionaire Republican Mayor Of NYC" Mike Bloomberg On Debate Stage
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/02/01/michael_moore_dnc_changing_rules_to_allow_bloomberg_on_debate_stage_because_he_has_a_billion_fcking_dollars.html

Michael Moore has been a bĂȘte noire of the right for ages and now Alan is citing him?

But even if it's true, I am OK with it. The debate admission rules were created to keep the debates from being cluttered up with minor candidates with little support. Bloomberg has a lot of support but, because he is paying for the campaign himself, no donors to meet the debate rules. I have no particular liking for Bloomberg but I think he needs to be heard. And if he's the one to beat the Orange Menace, I am all for it.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3753 on: February 02, 2020, 12:02:47 pm »

I hope you don't shoot film.  Nanny Bloomberg's against plastic straws and will take your film away.   

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3754 on: February 02, 2020, 12:15:10 pm »

Actually, Alex Dershowitz's incredibly stupid statement that president can do anything to help his re-election will destroy any credibility the Republicans had.
"If a President thinks his re-election is in the public interest, anything he does in pursuit of his re-election is legal".

That would include arresting your opponent, suppressing evidence, and spreading out daily new lies. 

No, Les, just no. The quote is deliberately taken out of context.

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« Reply #3755 on: February 02, 2020, 12:24:55 pm »

Slobodan,
I listened to the original Dershowitz's statement, then to him again next day trying to twist that statement, and then again to Cuomo&Dershowitz interview.
His original statement was incredibly ridiculous. The only unclear thing is whether he is really so stupid or just desperate? Professor! No wonder, the university students get radicalized listening to such BS.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/01/31/chris-cuomo-alan-dershowitz-quid-pro-quo-trump-national-interest-cpt-intv-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/trump-ukraine/
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3756 on: February 02, 2020, 12:35:48 pm »


 but plenty of animal cunning and shameless deceit, not to mention downright lying.

Rob was referring to British politicians, but I think the same description applies nearly everywhere.

If there's one thing I think we call all agree on, it's that politics is an ugly, shameless, corrupt and nasty business.

Anyone disagree?
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« Reply #3757 on: February 02, 2020, 12:57:00 pm »

... If there's one thing I think we call all agree on, it's that politics is an ugly, shameless, corrupt and nasty business.

Anyone disagree?

I do not disagree.

That's why we elected the ugliest, most shameless, and nastiest guy to win that game ;)

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« Reply #3758 on: February 02, 2020, 01:37:11 pm »

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3759 on: February 02, 2020, 01:53:19 pm »

Slobodan,
I listened to the original Dershowitz's statement, then to him again next day trying to twist that statement, and then again to Cuomo&Dershowitz interview. His original statement was incredibly ridiculous. The only unclear thing is whether he is really so stupid or just desperate? Professor! No wonder, the university students get radicalized listening to such BS.
Douchewitz has for decades taken to most provocative positions to support his clients. There is nothing he won't say A large part of this is just drawing attention to himself. It's me, me, me. I am on TV. Just interrupt him and ask him about his massage at Jeffrey Epstein's place.
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