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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #620 on: October 25, 2019, 08:45:34 pm »

Thanks for the link, but I couldn't' find anything about 47/12 Republicans there? Maybe I was reading too fast?

Here is one of the links:  https://www.axios.com/house-republicans-scif-impeachment-inquiry-67cf94d5-b2be-4420-ab4c-0582eb1369ef.html   Note that they state that not all of them were in the group that were in the group that entered the hearing room.  However, all did sign the protest press release.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #621 on: October 25, 2019, 08:48:14 pm »

And here's another (similar) take on that:

Cuomo to Graham: Impeachment hasn't changed ... you have
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I69ASeEv8kc

Hipocricy of republicans rules ...
Interesting that both Senator Graham and Alan Klein use the term 'star chamber inquiry.'
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« Reply #622 on: October 25, 2019, 09:03:15 pm »

Interesting that both Senator Graham and Alan Klein use the term 'star chamber inquiry.'

I don't know why, but "Invasion of the body snatchers" comes to mind ...  ;)
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« Reply #623 on: October 25, 2019, 09:16:55 pm »

Which raises question I wanted to ask. How many people here have changed their minds about what should happen?  Only the Yes people have to post.  It'll be easier to count.  :)

I should spend less time on this forum section and more time shooting.
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« Reply #624 on: October 25, 2019, 09:33:59 pm »

I should spend less time on this forum section and more time shooting.

When are you snowbirds coming down here? Let’s do some shooting together. And I don’t mean  the breeze 😊

P.S. Bart cordially invited too

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« Reply #625 on: October 25, 2019, 09:44:58 pm »

Slobodan,

please, give us a possible list of shooting locations and ideas in the warm winter land.
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« Reply #626 on: October 25, 2019, 09:56:52 pm »

Interesting that both Senator Graham and Alan Klein use the term 'star chamber inquiry.'
Wow.  That's interesting because I never heard anyone including Graham mention it.  It just came to me.  It must have a Star Chamber feel.  Anyone who's lived through Soviet broadcasted trials knows what I'm talking about. 

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« Reply #627 on: October 25, 2019, 09:58:10 pm »

I should spend less time on this forum section and more time shooting.
Exactly my point for the "poll".  All this time wasted when we could be shooting.  Talk about priorities.

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« Reply #628 on: October 25, 2019, 10:02:23 pm »

When are you snowbirds coming down here? Let’s do some shooting together. And I don’t mean  the breeze 😊

P.S. Bart cordially invited too
A bunch of my friends here in New Jersey in my 55+ community have already hightailed it to the Gold Coast of Florida (chad country) for the next few months as "snow birds"avoiding the upcoming harsh winter.  For them, climate change can't come fast enough. Of course my wife and I are the ones suffering because we stay here in cold New Jersey braving the snow.  :)

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #629 on: October 25, 2019, 11:09:12 pm »

"Regurgitating?" Please. The NY Times is perhaps the most respected newspaper in the world, with accurate and in-depth reporting every day. The Post is not far behind. Yes, their editorial opinions are liberal, but their news reporting is accurate. When they make an error, it is reported as a "correction" very soon.

Lord, what fun to be a conservative, where anything you WANT to be true just becomes true in you mind. No thinking, no smarts, no research.

Of course the NYT and others have a liberal bias.  So do the colleges and universities. The TRUTH has a liberal bias.

They all can’t be wrong.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
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« Reply #631 on: October 25, 2019, 11:32:18 pm »

Of course the NYT and others have a liberal bias.  So do the colleges and universities. The TRUTH has a liberal bias.

They all can’t be wrong.
Wow.  Just, wow. 

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« Reply #632 on: October 26, 2019, 12:45:49 am »

Dunno why that should be a "wow, just wow".  When you have most of the western media and educational systems on one side and Fox news and Breitbart on the other, it pretty well explains itself.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #633 on: October 26, 2019, 01:03:55 am »

Dunno why that should be a "wow, just wow".  When you have most of the western media and educational systems on one side and Fox news and Breitbart on the other, it pretty well explains itself.
Surveys have shown that 93% of journalists are Democrats.  Liberals are attracted to the "arts", education, journalism, etc more than conservatives.  You tend to write and produce things along your belief system.  It's not a mystery or conspiracy.  But that doesn't make their belief systems truth any more than it does for conservatives.  It's just how we're wired. 

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« Reply #634 on: October 26, 2019, 05:58:21 am »

Of course the NYT and others have a liberal bias.  So do the colleges and universities. The TRUTH has a liberal bias.

They all can’t be wrong.


Don't know about 'the Truth', but facts are facts, and the NYT does score high in that regard (see attached).

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... highly factual and considered one of the most reliable sources ...

The NYT's only bias is in subject selection and wording. Not sure though, whether they can currently do very different subject selection if it involves important news that forces itself upon the world stage.
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« Reply #635 on: October 26, 2019, 08:11:57 am »

The NY Times fails not on fact but on presentation.  That's makes its reporting more Liberal, anti-Trump, and Democrat favoring news.  I gave an example in another thread.  I've copied it here. If you click on the date link, you can see the complete post in the original thread.

...  It's like bias in the N Y Times.  A negative story about TRump is put on page one above the paper's fold.  A good story is buried on pg 47.  Of course the Times will claim both stories were printed. 

Of course how headlines and photo captions are written can change the entire meaning and effect. "Trump Pulls Out of Syria Abandoning the Kurds Without American Protection".  Or, "Trump Pulls American Troops Out of Syria Ending Further US Deaths Defending the Kurds". Both tell the truth. But which one makes you feel better about Trump?  Worse?  The meanings are different.  It's all in the interpretation.  It can stir hearts and opinions in different directions.  This is what Fake News is all about.  Not about lies.  About false imaging.

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« Reply #636 on: October 26, 2019, 08:24:08 am »

Surveys have shown that 93% of journalists are Democrats. 
I'm curious how they arrive at this number.  I don't think journalists routinely say what their party affiliation is.  Obviously one can 'infer' this but is that the same as having a documented statement?
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« Reply #637 on: October 26, 2019, 08:39:33 am »

I'm curious how they arrive at this number.

Some folks live in a fact free bubble.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #638 on: October 26, 2019, 08:41:46 am »

The NY Times fails not on fact but on presentation.  That's makes its reporting more Liberal, anti-Trump, and Democrat favoring news.  I gave an example in another thread.  I've copied it here. If you click on the date link, you can see the complete post in the original thread.

So Trump is often just plain wrong about facts, but you blame the NY Times for presenting facts with a biased view.

Also the Kurds were not so much protected by the US soldiers. It were the Kurds that did the fighting against ISIS on the ground and the US helped with material and weapons.
They have prevented US casualties. the protection the US army forces were providing to the Kurds was just there presence... They just had to stay put - no fighting needed.

And as said before ; Democrats and Republicans were against pulling out of Syria as was the US defence staff...   Only Trump, Erdogan, Poetin, Assad and Alan Klein thought it was a brilliant idea.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #639 on: October 26, 2019, 08:53:42 am »

I'm curious how they arrive at this number.  I don't think journalists routinely say what their party affiliation is.  Obviously one can 'infer' this but is that the same as having a documented statement?
What just surprised me when I googled it, was how many financial journalists are left leaning.  No wonder Socialism is getting a good name.

"When you add it up, 58.47% admit to being left of center. Along with that, another 37.12% claim to be "moderate."

What about the mythic "conservative" financial journalist? In fact, a mere 0.46% of financial journalists called themselves "very conservative," while just 3.94% said they were "somewhat conservative." That's a whopping 4.4% of the total that lean right-of-center.

That's a ratio of 13 "liberals" for every one "conservative."

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-bias-left-study/


For "regular journalists", it seems only 7% claim being a Republican.  The 93% balance are not Democrats as I said.  To clarify it seem that's 28% or 4x Republicans are Democrats, the rest claiming "independent".   The big issue is what are the political leanings of the journalists at the NY Times and Washington Post, two anti-Trump, liberal, Democrat leaning newspapers.    Institutional bias also is big.   These papers are also centered in big cities like NY that are overwhelming liberal and Democrat.  These big papers where political leanings of journalists really count because of their power and range of readers around the world who get news from them directly or through bylines.  These few journalists have enormous power.   What conservative, Republican newspapers are there that people can easily identify?  Journalism at the three major networks, ABC NBC and CBS are left leaning as well.  For ever Fox you got these three, plus MSNBC CNN etc.  I doubt if our overseas friends here every watch Fox. 


Here's an interesting article how journalists missed the Trump win. 
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/25/media-bubble-real-journalism-jobs-east-coast-215048
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