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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #420 on: October 21, 2019, 07:31:38 am »

From day one this president talked lies.
He could not even be honest about the amount of people that came to his inauguration:

"Before Spicer’s briefing room tirade on Saturday, Trump had told an audience at CIA headquarters that he had given his inauguration address to a “massive field of people … packed”, he estimated, with between 1 million and 1.5 million people.
To his eye, Trump said, the crowd stretched “the 20-block area, all the way back to the Washington Monument” – but a television network he didn’t name had broadcast a shot of “an empty field” and put the crowd at 250,000.

His spokesman Spicer even stated: “This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration – period.”

There was enough evidence to prove that wrong, but that was all fakenews...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/22/trump-inauguration-crowd-sean-spicers-claims-versus-the-evidence
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/06/donald-trump-inauguration-crowd-size-photos-edited





"When you move into a Trump property, you're in the finest residence in the world.  Everything is the platinum class, impeccable.  The highest quality materials and world-class workmanship defines every corner of your residence.  Nothing is left without the most consideration of any designer in the world. Our interior decorators are the best, bar none. There's no other property that excels like a Trump property."

He's always been a salesman.  He's been selling his name for 40 years in case you missed it.  The question is does he keep his word regarding his campaign promises?  I think he has, a least for the most part. 

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #421 on: October 21, 2019, 07:50:46 am »

He's always been a salesman liar. 

FTFY
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #422 on: October 21, 2019, 08:00:53 am »

FTFY
Do you know when a politician is lying?  Their lips are moving.

So you believe Biden that he knew nothing about his son's dealings with the Ukrainian and Chinese corporations?  So you believe Warren when she says she never intended to use her claim of being an American Indian to advance her career? So you believe Hillary Clinton when she she says she had no ulterior motives for having a private server and secret emails nor did she ever use her office as Secretary of State to gain financially?  So you believe Obama that he never authorized the IRS to be tough on his political opponents taxes or that he knew nothing about the investigation his FBI was doing of the Trump campaign? 

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« Reply #423 on: October 21, 2019, 08:12:21 am »

Do you know when a politician is lying?  Their lips are moving.

So you believe Biden that he knew nothing about his son's dealings with the Ukrainian and Chinese corporations?  So you believe Warren when she says she never intended to use her claim of being an American Indian to advance her career? So you believe Hillary Clinton when she she says she had no ulterior motives for having a private server and secret emails nor did she ever use her office as Secretary of State to gain financially?  So you believe Obama that he never authorized the IRS to be tough on his political opponents taxes or that he knew nothing about the investigation his FBI was doing of the Trump campaign?
If Biden or Hillary states 1+ 1 = 3    They get the same bad reaction from the outside world as if trump would say it.
Trump however, will be the only one to stick to it and call 1+1 =2   'fake news'.
He would even add it was a brilliant idea.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #424 on: October 21, 2019, 12:06:00 pm »

If Biden or Hillary states 1+ 1 = 3    They get the same bad reaction from the outside world as if trump would say it.
Trump however, will be the only one to stick to it and call 1+1 =2   'fake news'.
He would even add it was a brillant idea.

Biden and Hillary called accusations against her as false.  Biden said he flew 12 hours with his son to China and never discussed business with him once.  Hillary said her illegal servers made her more efficient as Secretary of State and they were never used for classified information.  Nor she said did she use them to communicate private business discussing with foreign leaders and other people looking to contributing millions to her Clinton Initiative foundation to buy influence with the American government.

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« Reply #425 on: October 21, 2019, 12:07:06 pm »

It is true though that they never said that 1 + 1 =2 "fake news".

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #426 on: October 21, 2019, 01:22:37 pm »

So Trump has reversed course again and has now decided to keep some troops in Syria to protect the oil fields, which of course begs the question for whom and from whom. I don't think the US imports any oil from Syria. So much for bringing the boys home and letting the ME fight it out among themselves. Mendacity.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #427 on: October 21, 2019, 01:55:31 pm »

Your post confirmed my point.  Democrats have spent three years and counting looking under every stone to see if they can find some dirt.  Collusion with the Russians, Obstruction, paying off hookers and girlfriends.  And now you say that although you're "not accusing him of fraud", you think there are some "problematic" documents that "may" be a smoking gun to IRS fraud.  Meanwhile the IRS has never charged him with fraud even though he's audited all the time for 40-50 years he's been in the real estate and other businesses.  But somehow, this time, you know you got the goods.  And then you tell me that Democrats would spend their time doing the people's business but it's the Republicans that are stopping them.  Give me a break.
The IRS budget has been cut way back over the past eight years.  We have only President Trump's word that his taxes are under audit; the IRS never discloses whose tax returns are under audit.  Given the President's lack of veracity, there is no guarantee that he is telling the truth.  He made an empty promise about releasing his tax returns because he didn't believe he would win the nomination much less the presidency.  Once he accomplished both wins, that promise of transparency disappeared.  Do you deny that this took place?  Also, you have no idea how often he was audited and by which tax authorities and neither do I.

IRS fraud is not what either I or the ProPublica piece was talking about.  It was property tax declarations and loan applications.  These are public documents and there is a clear discrepancy. 

Anyone can be investigated for malfeasance and this happens all the time.  Look at how much investigation was done about President Clinton and his wife during his administration.  Do you think those investigations (along with the countless investigations of Secretary of State Clinton) were not warranted.  You cannot have it both ways.  Either everyone is fair game or nobody is.

Your final comment is just silly.  The House has done a lot of legislative work that is just sitting on Senator McConnell's desk.  He is not even making an attempt to have the Senate pass something and see if there is some common ground.  The Senate could easily not vote to finalize something if a compromise could not be reached.  I think President Trump has held a couple of 'infrastructure weeks' and nothing has happened.  I don't know what your roads and bridges are like in NJ, but ours down here need a lot of work.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #428 on: October 21, 2019, 02:32:35 pm »

So Trump has reversed course again and has now decided to keep some troops in Syria to protect the oil fields, which of course begs the question for whom and from whom. I don't think the US imports any oil from Syria. So much for bringing the boys home and letting the ME fight it out among themselves. Mendacity.
I agree, Frank.  First thing I thought.  Why are we there protecting oil?  Whose oil is it anyway?  I think some of the oil is in Iraq.  But who cares?  Let the Iraqi army protect it. If it's on Syrian lands, maybe it belongs to the Syrians in the first place and the Kurds are stealing it.  So we're complicit in their theft.   In any case, we're supposed to be policeman protecting oil?  It's nuts!  Frankly, it's just an excuse to keep troops there; an attempt to cool off the criticism of Trump because he pulled out.

Frankly, I smell "mission creep" like what happened in Vietnam.  It started there under President Kennedy with just having a few military advisors to help the South Vietnamese army ward off the Communist North.  Then with President Johnson, the Gulf of Tonkin, a phony conflict, and next thing we had 500,000 troops there, with 58,000 dead.  Just on our side.  If the Turks and Kurds go at it after the 5 day "pause", we could get drawn in.  People will say to Trump - you have to help.  Then we'll be sucked into another war, that Trump is trying to avoid.  He should have stuck to his guns and stayed out.

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« Reply #429 on: October 21, 2019, 02:48:20 pm »

The IRS budget has been cut way back over the past eight years.  We have only President Trump's word that his taxes are under audit; the IRS never discloses whose tax returns are under audit.  Given the President's lack of veracity, there is no guarantee that he is telling the truth.  He made an empty promise about releasing his tax returns because he didn't believe he would win the nomination much less the presidency.  Once he accomplished both wins, that promise of transparency disappeared.  Do you deny that this took place?  Also, you have no idea how often he was audited and by which tax authorities and neither do I.

IRS fraud is not what either I or the ProPublica piece was talking about.  It was property tax declarations and loan applications.  These are public documents and there is a clear discrepancy. 

Anyone can be investigated for malfeasance and this happens all the time.  Look at how much investigation was done about President Clinton and his wife during his administration.  Do you think those investigations (along with the countless investigations of Secretary of State Clinton) were not warranted.  You cannot have it both ways.  Either everyone is fair game or nobody is.

Your final comment is just silly.  The House has done a lot of legislative work that is just sitting on Senator McConnell's desk.  He is not even making an attempt to have the Senate pass something and see if there is some common ground.  The Senate could easily not vote to finalize something if a compromise could not be reached.  I think President Trump has held a couple of 'infrastructure weeks' and nothing has happened.  I don't know what your roads and bridges are like in NJ, but ours down here need a lot of work.
So because the IRS budget has been cut, we are to assume that Trump has commited tax fraud.  Never mind that only effect the non-rich because the IRS mainly goes after rich people and companies.  They still audit the Trumps because they have so much money.  But meanwhile, there has not been one charge of tax fraud or insurance fraud for over-valuations of real estate in his entire life from the IRS. Remember that banks and insurance companies are the ones that eventually have to deal with any bankruptcies.  So if TRump did something illegal, they'd be pissed. They'd be holding the bag as the property value would not cover the their payments to creditors.

The problem is the democrats have been looking for something, anything, to impeach.  It's a wild goose chase.  They  look under every rock and cranny until they hope they can find something to use against him even if there really isn't anything there, like the Russian collusion charge.  That's not how we operate in America.  We don;t do this to presidents or anyone else.  But of course we realize it's all politics.  Clinton got somewhat the same treatment.  But that was wrong too.  And I said it was wrong then.  Hiding marital infidelity, even lying about it under oath(added), is not treason, bribery, or high crimes and misdemeanors. Vote him out of office. That's way proper way to do it.

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« Reply #430 on: October 21, 2019, 03:17:48 pm »

Interesting piece from a forthcoming book, about Trump's first Pentagon briefing, https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/21/inside-trumps-first-pentagon-briefing-229865.
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« Reply #431 on: October 21, 2019, 03:38:49 pm »

Interesting piece from a forthcoming book, about Trump's first Pentagon briefing, https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/21/inside-trumps-first-pentagon-briefing-229865.
The read shows the president as his own man with a plan.  He became president wanting to stop foreign wars and get our allies to pay more for their defense and to straighten out trade imbalances caused by unfair trade practices.  Mattis was still in the Neocon camp where America would remain as the guarantor of international peace using our muscle to get our way.  Mattis is stuck in the past.  Americans elected the president not Mattis.  It was Trump's policy promises that got him elected.  Americans had enough of old ways of doing things; Mattis's ways of doing things.   

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« Reply #432 on: October 21, 2019, 03:42:38 pm »

I agree, Frank.  First thing I thought.  Why are we there protecting oil?  Whose oil is it anyway?  I think some of the oil is in Iraq.  But who cares?  Let the Iraqi army protect it. If it's on Syrian lands, maybe it belongs to the Syrians in the first place and the Kurds are stealing it.  So we're complicit in their theft.   In any case, we're supposed to be policeman protecting oil?  It's nuts!  Frankly, it's just an excuse to keep troops there; an attempt to cool off the criticism of Trump because he pulled out.
The point is Trump can't make up his mind. The mission changes from day to day. So yesterday he was bringing the boys home as a rationale for letting Turkey invade Syria. What's the rationale today?
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« Reply #433 on: October 21, 2019, 03:48:41 pm »

The read shows the president as his own man with a plan.  He became president wanting to stop foreign wars and get our allies to pay more for their defense and to straighten out trade imbalances caused by unfair trade practices.  Mattis was still in the Neocon camp where America would remain as the guarantor of international peace using our muscle to get our way.  Mattis is stuck in the past.  Americans elected the president not Mattis.  It was Trump's policy promises that got him elected.  Americans had enough of old ways of doing things; Mattis's ways of doing things.   

I can't remember, did Trump ever get his military parade?
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« Reply #434 on: October 21, 2019, 04:06:34 pm »

The read shows the president as his own man with a plan. 

Poor planner, I'd say.
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« Reply #435 on: October 21, 2019, 04:08:11 pm »

I can't remember, did Trump ever get his military parade?
I think he had two "Sherman" tanks on the National Mall on the Fourth of July.
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« Reply #436 on: October 21, 2019, 04:28:56 pm »

The point is Trump can't make up his mind. The mission changes from day to day. So yesterday he was bringing the boys home as a rationale for letting Turkey invade Syria. What's the rationale today?
He wants to get re-elected and protect himself from impeachment.  So he's going along with Republican complaints about his original decision.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #437 on: October 21, 2019, 09:26:58 pm »

"Robert Shiller: Recession likely years away due to bullish Trump effect"

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Nobel-prize winning economist Robert Shiller believes a recession may be years away due to a bullish Trump effect in the market.

https://www-cnbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/10/20/shiller-recession-likely-years-away-due-to-bullish-trump-effect.html

Impeach that! ;)

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« Reply #438 on: October 21, 2019, 11:33:17 pm »

Trump calls Hillary Clinton, "Sick."  Just think, we could have Hillary to kick around for 4 years. 

President Donald Trump on Monday defended Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard against Hillary Clinton’s accusation that the Democratic congresswoman’s presidential campaign is being bolstered by the Russian government.

“She’s accusing everyone of being a Russian agent,” Trump told reporters of his 2016 general election opponent.

“These people are sick. There’s something wrong with them,” he said.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/21/trump-gabbard-clinton-russian-agent-053294

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« Reply #439 on: October 21, 2019, 11:39:11 pm »

"Robert Shiller: Recession likely years away due to bullish Trump effect"

https://www-cnbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/10/20/shiller-recession-likely-years-away-due-to-bullish-trump-effect.html

Impeach that! ;)


I hope you're right.  But I don;t know.  What if he loses in 2020?  Also, the Fed is pumping fake money into the economy again to keep it afloat.  I'm afraid it's going to end badly.  If a socialist wins, the printing presses will be run on overtime. 
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