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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #400 on: October 20, 2019, 01:35:31 am »


He's smart enough to get his kid a good job.  :)

That doesn't require smart - even Trump has done it!
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« Reply #401 on: October 20, 2019, 07:15:12 am »

That doesn't require smart - even Trump has done it!
Trump's kids work for the Trump Organization, a private firm, long before Donald got into politics.  They've been learning the trade being tutored by their father since they were children. That's a lot different than a politician like VP Biden using his office to pressure foreign countries to arrange high paying job for his kid in a field they know nothing about.  Maybe he can get me a job in the oil industry too.  After all, I know how to pump gas.  :)

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #402 on: October 20, 2019, 08:04:27 am »

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Trump's kids work for the Trump Organization, a private firm, long before Donald got into politics.  They've been learning the trade being tutored by their father since they were children. That's a lot different than a politician like VP Biden using his office to pressure foreign countries to arrange high paying job for his kid in a field they know nothing about.  Maybe he can get me a job in the oil industry too.  After all, I know how to pump gas.  :)

You're totally delusional. Since daddy became President Trump's family have made millions off the back of his position. A readable account is found here: https://www.gq.com/story/trump-kids-profit-presidency (I know you won't read it, but newbies may stumble onto this thread and not understand that the house rules are that you make up stuff to defend the Orange One at any cost).
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« Reply #403 on: October 20, 2019, 08:32:25 am »

You're totally delusional. Since daddy became President Trump's family have made millions off the back of his position. A readable account is found here: https://www.gq.com/story/trump-kids-profit-presidency (I know you won't read it, but newbies may stumble onto this thread and not understand that the house rules are that you make up stuff to defend the Orange One at any cost).
I read it.  So you also approve of Hunter Biden getting a job off the back of his father, Vice President Biden?

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« Reply #404 on: October 20, 2019, 10:17:28 am »

Trump not having G7 at his Doral Florida Golf Resort.  It would be in June, 2020, too close to the election and not look good. One less thing to be impeach about. 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-g7/trump-abandons-plan-to-host-2020-g7-meeting-at-his-florida-golf-resort-idUSKBN1WZ01E

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« Reply #405 on: October 20, 2019, 12:00:44 pm »

Trump not having G7 at his Doral Florida Golf Resort.  It would be in June, 2020, too close to the election and not look good. One less thing to be impeach about. 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-g7/trump-abandons-plan-to-host-2020-g7-meeting-at-his-florida-golf-resort-idUSKBN1WZ01E

You spelled “indict” wrong.  The fact that’s he proposed it is just another reason to kick his butt out.
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« Reply #406 on: October 20, 2019, 12:18:43 pm »

You spelled “indict” wrong.  The fact that’s he proposed it is just another reason to kick his butt out.

I'm waiting for the headline, "Trump Burps in Oval Office, Dems Insists It's Reason for Impeachment." 
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #407 on: October 20, 2019, 01:49:39 pm »

Puleese.  Trump was a billionaire made before he got into politics. 
Trump's business practices have been well documented and he has used the tax and LLC laws to protect him in multiple bankruptcies.  He also got a nice loan from his father to help after one of the casinos went bust.  Lots of stuff is continuing to emerge and ProPublica, one of the best set of investigative journalists around, is on the case.  Their latest report shows some significant discrepancies in tax filings which may put him at risk of financial fraud.  https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-never-before-seen-trump-tax-documents-show-major-inconsistencies  Before you get your dander up and calling them a tool of the left, ProPublica is independently funded and cooperate with numerous news organizations.  In this current example, the hard numbers cannot be easily argued away.  either he misreported on his property tax or he lied to the lender in the loan documents.  For someone who maintains a legion of attorneys and accountants, this should not happen.
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« Reply #408 on: October 20, 2019, 02:38:41 pm »

Trump not having G7 at his Doral Florida Golf Resort.  It would be in June, 2020, too close to the election and not look good.
Mulvaney reported that the clueless Trump was surprised by the pushback. Not sure why he was surprised. Everyone has been saying it was a terrible idea from the time he first floated it, which was months ago. I am surprised he backed off rather than doubled down. Very uncharacteristic of him. I doubt it had anything to do with a moral compass.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #409 on: October 20, 2019, 03:09:33 pm »

I'm waiting for the headline, "Trump Burps in Oval Office, Dems Insists It's Reason for Impeachment." 
F*L*A*S*H - "Trump Impeached for Bad Breath.  Wife Leaves Him  and Checks Into DC Hotel." 

"No president of mine can smell like that," complained Melania Trump on the way out of the White House.  "I warned him to stop eating those cheap hamburgers."

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« Reply #410 on: October 20, 2019, 03:30:44 pm »

Trump's business practices have been well documented and he has used the tax and LLC laws to protect him in multiple bankruptcies.  He also got a nice loan from his father to help after one of the casinos went bust.  Lots of stuff is continuing to emerge and ProPublica, one of the best set of investigative journalists around, is on the case.  Their latest report shows some significant discrepancies in tax filings which may put him at risk of financial fraud.  https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-never-before-seen-trump-tax-documents-show-major-inconsistencies  Before you get your dander up and calling them a tool of the left, ProPublica is independently funded and cooperate with numerous news organizations.  In this current example, the hard numbers cannot be easily argued away.  either he misreported on his property tax or he lied to the lender in the loan documents.  For someone who maintains a legion of attorneys and accountants, this should not happen.
Trump's worth $3.5 billion give or take.  What are you worth?  To argue that he used the tax laws to help him financially is just silly.  Do you write off your mortgage interest payments?  Or do you pay taxes that would have been legally deferred?  Who would hire an accountant who would tell them to pay taxes they don't have to pay?  There are no such accountants.  They'd be unemployed standing on a food line hoping to get something to eat.  Give me a break. 


Trump's been writing off his real estate property for years.    The IRS looks at things like that to see if they're reasonable valuations.  If he commited fraud they would have indicted him a long time ago. The IRS is always auditing him, not like me and you. Charging him with fraud based on rumor and politics is like you charging him with colluding with the Russians.  You guys don't give up. 


Of course, all these charges are made with the intent of going into the election hoping the public sees Trump as a crook.  After all the Democrats have nothing else to run on.  It might work.  On the other hand, the public might think, "You know, these charges have been all a lot of bunk.  It's all political nonsense.  The democrats haven't done a damn thing in 4 years to help this country and have spent all that time trying to bring down the President.  Let's put Trump in there for another 4 years.  It looks like he needs more time to clean up the swamp. "

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« Reply #411 on: October 20, 2019, 03:32:57 pm »

Let's put Trump in there for another 4 years.  It looks like he needs more time to clean up the swamp. " [/i]
Could you expand on just how he has been draining the swamp?
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« Reply #412 on: October 20, 2019, 04:59:29 pm »

Trump's worth $3.5 billion give or take.  What are you worth?  To argue that he used the tax laws to help him financially is just silly.  Do you write off your mortgage interest payments?  Or do you pay taxes that would have been legally deferred?  Who would hire an accountant who would tell them to pay taxes they don't have to pay?  There are no such accountants.  They'd be unemployed standing on a food line hoping to get something to eat.  Give me a break. 
I'm worth enough to not have to go to work as a greeter at a big box store.  I have been a co-owner of an apartment building in California and am familiar with real estate depreciation and taxation.  I have taken advantage of all the deductions made available to me. 


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Trump's been writing off his real estate property for years.    The IRS looks at things like that to see if they're reasonable valuations.  If he commited fraud they would have indicted him a long time ago. The IRS is always auditing him, not like me and you. Charging him with fraud based on rumor and politics is like you charging him with colluding with the Russians.  You guys don't give up. 
IRS audits do not cover financial fraud that is the topic of the story I linked to.  had you read the article you would have seen copies of two financial documents that are publicly available that contradict each other and 'may' cause him some problems.  I'm not charging him with fraud, I only said that these are problematic.  I would not be surprised if there are more in this category.  there have been condo developments where the Trump kids said were already sold out and that was totally wrong; in one case less than 1/4 of the units were sold despite what Ivanka said. 

Show me one quote of mine where I accused the President of colluding with the Russians (don't waste your time trying to find one as I've never said this).

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Of course, all these charges are made with the intent of going into the election hoping the public sees Trump as a crook.  After all the Democrats have nothing else to run on.  It might work.  On the other hand, the public might think, "You know, these charges have been all a lot of bunk.  It's all political nonsense.  The democrats haven't done a damn thing in 4 years to help this country and have spent all that time trying to bring down the President. 
The Republicans were in power for the first two years of President Trump's term so it is not fair to say that the Democrats have not done anything.  Since the beginning of this year the Democrats have had control over the House and have passed numerous pieces of legislation which are lying dormant in the Senate as Majority Leader McConnell refuses to bring them up for a vote.  The fault here is not with the Democrats who would like to do some infrastructure and health care legislation only to see things evaporate into the Senate ether. 
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« Reply #413 on: October 20, 2019, 07:11:14 pm »

I'm worth enough to not have to go to work as a greeter at a big box store.  I have been a co-owner of an apartment building in California and am familiar with real estate depreciation and taxation.  I have taken advantage of all the deductions made available to me. 

IRS audits do not cover financial fraud that is the topic of the story I linked to.  had you read the article you would have seen copies of two financial documents that are publicly available that contradict each other and 'may' cause him some problems.  I'm not charging him with fraud, I only said that these are problematic.  I would not be surprised if there are more in this category.  there have been condo developments where the Trump kids said were already sold out and that was totally wrong; in one case less than 1/4 of the units were sold despite what Ivanka said. 

Show me one quote of mine where I accused the President of colluding with the Russians (don't waste your time trying to find one as I've never said this).
The Republicans were in power for the first two years of President Trump's term so it is not fair to say that the Democrats have not done anything.  Since the beginning of this year the Democrats have had control over the House and have passed numerous pieces of legislation which are lying dormant in the Senate as Majority Leader McConnell refuses to bring them up for a vote.  The fault here is not with the Democrats who would like to do some infrastructure and health care legislation only to see things evaporate into the Senate ether. 
Your post confirmed my point.  Democrats have spent three years and counting looking under every stone to see if they can find some dirt.  Collusion with the Russians, Obstruction, paying off hookers and girlfriends.  And now you say that although you're "not accusing him of fraud", you think there are some "problematic" documents that "may" be a smoking gun to IRS fraud.  Meanwhile the IRS has never charged him with fraud even though he's audited all the time for 40-50 years he's been in the real estate and other businesses.  But somehow, this time, you know you got the goods.  And then you tell me that Democrats would spend their time doing the people's business but it's the Republicans that are stopping them.  Give me a break. 

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« Reply #414 on: October 20, 2019, 07:18:00 pm »

Could you expand on just how he has been draining the swamp?
If he wasn't defending himself all the time against phony impeachment charges, he would have had more time to "shoot" swamp rats.  That's why he's earned another 4 years.  :)

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« Reply #415 on: October 20, 2019, 07:22:39 pm »

If he wasn't defending himself all the time against phony impeachment charges, he would have had more time to "shoot" swamp rats.  That's why he's earned another 4 years.  :)
So he hasn't done anything to drain the swamp, but it is someone else's fault.
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« Reply #416 on: October 20, 2019, 07:47:20 pm »

So he hasn't done anything to drain the swamp, but it is someone else's fault.
I think he's given up on getting rid of them.  So he just bypasses them and makes his own decisions.  If he listened to all the neocon yakkers and warmongering generals, they'd have us in a war with Turkey, Russia and Syria. But that's for the other thread.

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« Reply #417 on: October 21, 2019, 03:35:05 am »

If he wasn't defending himself all the time against phony impeachment charges, he would have had more time to "shoot" swamp rats.  That's why he's earned another 4 years.  :)

Alan - in the interests of saving time, could you please just provide a list of those ways (if any) in which you consider Trump to be less than completely perfect?

Thanks.
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« Reply #418 on: October 21, 2019, 06:50:17 am »

Alan - in the interests of saving time, could you please just provide a list of those ways (if any) in which you consider Trump to be less than completely perfect?

Thanks.
He should learn to keep his big mouth shut.  Hmmm. 

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« Reply #419 on: October 21, 2019, 06:56:08 am »

From day one this president talked lies.
He could not even be honest about the amount of people that came to his inauguration:

"Before Spicer’s briefing room tirade on Saturday, Trump had told an audience at CIA headquarters that he had given his inauguration address to a “massive field of people … packed”, he estimated, with between 1 million and 1.5 million people.
To his eye, Trump said, the crowd stretched “the 20-block area, all the way back to the Washington Monument” – but a television network he didn’t name had broadcast a shot of “an empty field” and put the crowd at 250,000.

His spokesman Spicer even stated: “This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration – period.”

There was enough evidence to prove that wrong, but that was all fakenews...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/22/trump-inauguration-crowd-sean-spicers-claims-versus-the-evidence
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/06/donald-trump-inauguration-crowd-size-photos-edited



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