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Re: How media over-represents 15 times climatosceptiks fake science
« Reply #760 on: September 05, 2019, 10:49:30 am »

When more and more stories like this start happening, wind and solar will go by the wayside. 

The Tale of a Texas Town on 100% Renewable Energy

Epic fail of renewables causes Texas town to have $1200 per year higher power bills

Chuck DeVore: Texas town's renewable energy experiment failure proves Green New Deal unworkable

At the end of the day, people will start to realize France uses nuclear for nearly all of its electrical production and has very low prices, much lower then Germany's woke green revolution electric grid, and people will make the right decision.


I was at the King of Prussia mall this weekend with a bunch of family.  My sister-in-law's boyfriend, Matt, is an architect and very environmentally aware, like most architects.  The KoP mall has a Tesla dealership in it, which is honestly kind of odd that a car dealership is actually inside a mall in one the stores.  (Or maybe it's me; I rarely ever go to a mall.)  We took a look at the vehicles and they are nice, but at the end of it, Matt made a interesting statement that kind of struck me.  He cant stand Tesla and said that if the government stopped the subsidies, the whole company would collapse overnight. 

Now this is something I know to be the case, but hearing it from someone who is center left was striking.  Not a good sign for those on the far left who seem to think all this stuff will just be accepted.  If it does not work, even most of those on the left wont accept it. 
Joe, it doesn;t matter.  All the Democrats running for office will push green if one wins.  If the Dems also take the Senate, we'll have all sorts of green spending, all of it with more printing and inflation lowering our wealth, devaluing the dollar.  More unemployment, less business, etc. 

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« Reply #761 on: September 05, 2019, 12:22:25 pm »

Why would anyone need to bother!? The “scientific” forecasts falsify themselves.

Just ask South Floridians who are rolling on the (sunny) streets laughing at it. I just spent several days of my life preparing for the “catastrophe,” hours on the phone with airlines, hundreds of dollars, which would have turned into thousands have I not decided to cancel evacuation tickets, only to spend days bored, waiting for Godot.

The “scientific” forecast started with the whole freaking Florida (and more) painted catastrophe red, only to end up not even touching Florida.

There is no "the 'scientific' forecast", there are lots of them.

The one you shouldn't have believed, is Trump's prediction that it would cross Florida to Alabama. It was quite clear from the onset that (depending on how fast the High-pressure system to the North of Dorian would dissolve) Dorian was likely to take a turn North, sooner or later.

However, nobody can guarantee the course of such a chaotic weather system. That's why Scientists speak of probabilities, and there was a slim possibility that it would first make landfall in Florida before turning North. Most models indicated an earlier turn North. Lucky for the Floridians (and unfortunate for those in the Bahamas), Dorian stalled over the Bahamas which bought a bit of time for the high pressure system to weaken and stop blocking Dorian from changing course.

Interestingly, I had looked at the various forecasting models last week, and the early European model already showed Dorian stalling/stopping (as it did) whereas the US models showed only a bit of slowdown and a larger probability of it making landfall in Florida. I wondered which would be closer to the awful reality. Now we Know.
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« Reply #762 on: September 05, 2019, 12:45:55 pm »

There is no "the 'scientific' forecast", there are lots of them...

Of course. Like these ones. One is on Friday, the other is on Tuesday:

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« Reply #763 on: September 05, 2019, 12:49:13 pm »

As of Monday this week, Philly was suppose to get a fair amount of rain today.  Instead it is a balmy 76 F.  Great weather for a round of golf!
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« Reply #764 on: September 05, 2019, 12:57:22 pm »

There is no "the 'scientific' forecast", there are lots of them....

... Interestingly, I had looked at the various forecasting models last week, and the early European model already showed Dorian stalling/stopping (as it did) whereas the US models showed only a bit of slowdown and a larger probability of it making landfall in Florida. I wondered which would be closer to the awful reality. Now we Know.

Well... when you make "lots of them," one is bound to be closer to reality  ;D

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« Reply #765 on: September 05, 2019, 01:05:41 pm »

Of course. Like these ones. One is on Friday, the other is on Tuesday:

That's not so uncommon, the predictions are just that, approximate guesses.
Last year, the Hurricane Florence caused a lot of people on the other side of Florida to evacuate, but fortunately the hurricane weakened and landed further north.
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« Reply #766 on: September 05, 2019, 01:09:21 pm »

There's one earlier prediction that shows it going into Florida then Georgia.(the red dot line).  Then disappearing.

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« Reply #767 on: September 05, 2019, 01:15:23 pm »

That's not so uncommon, the predictions are just that, approximate guesses...

Oh, no!? But, but... I thought that is science!? With 97% certainty?

Admittedly, my chances of bumping into a dinosaur during my lunch walk today are only 50/50. Either I will, or I won't.

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« Reply #768 on: September 05, 2019, 01:36:06 pm »

There is no "the 'scientific' forecast", there are lots of them.

The one you shouldn't have believed, is Trump's prediction that it would cross Florida to Alabama. It was quite clear from the onset that (depending on how fast the High-pressure system to the North of Dorian would dissolve) Dorian was likely to take a turn North, sooner or later.

However, nobody can guarantee the course of such a chaotic weather system. That's why Scientists speak of probabilities, and there was a slim possibility that it would first make landfall in Florida before turning North. Most models indicated an earlier turn North. Lucky for the Floridians (and unfortunate for those in the Bahamas), Dorian stalled over the Bahamas which bought a bit of time for the high pressure system to weaken and stop blocking Dorian from changing course.

Interestingly, I had looked at the various forecasting models last week, and the early European model already showed Dorian stalling/stopping (as it did) whereas the US models showed only a bit of slowdown and a larger probability of it making landfall in Florida. I wondered which would be closer to the awful reality. Now we Know.


That isn;t true.  I also said that if the storm shoots across Florida, it could continue across the Gulf and hit Texas a lot further even than Alabama.  Even this picture held by Trump of the original tracking shows that possibility as the tracking is across FLorida, one of the early predictions.  The black magic marker is just an extension of the tracking cone.  It makes sense that's where the storm would go if it did in fact go across Florida.  It would hit the panhandle of Florida which sits at the bottom of Alabama and then Alabama itself.  OF course it's just another chance to knock TRump whatever he says now knowing after the fact exactly its course.
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« Reply #769 on: September 05, 2019, 02:04:37 pm »

Oh, no!? But, but... I thought that is science!? With 97% certainty?

Admittedly, my chances of bumping into a dinosaur during my lunch walk today are only 50/50. Either I will, or I won't.

;)

I can predict with 97% accuracy that this was not your last post...

See how perfect science works!
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« Reply #770 on: September 05, 2019, 07:45:15 pm »

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/09/05/the-world-is-investing-less-in-clean-energy?cid1=cust/dailypicks1/n/bl/n/2019095n/owned/n/n/dailypicks1/n/n/NA/304223/n

“China, which once accounted for almost half of all investment in renewables, has seen the biggest drop”

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... renewables are still a long way from replacing fossil fuels. That is especially true of coal in Asia. Despite China’s efforts to go green, it remains the world’s biggest consumer and producer of coal, which still accounts for three-fifths of its energy mix. India is building lots of coal-fired power plants; in South-East Asia the share of coal in electricity generation is on the rise. The world’s fuel palette still has too much black and too little green.

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« Reply #771 on: September 06, 2019, 12:30:20 am »

Trump didn't make a mistake.  You've been reading the fake news.  He ran and won the presidency on pulling out of Paris and opening up America to more fossil fuel production.  The first was pushed because he said that there are no penalties in the Paris Accord.  It's all voluntary and most countries cheat.  On top of that China doesn;t have to do anything until 2030 putting us at a disadvantage economically (you too.).  Also, India doesn;t have to do anything and will triple their CO2 emissions by 2030. 

Meanwhile, fracking and other oil and fossil fuel production that was opposed by Obama and pushed by Trump has now made America the largest producer of oil in the world beating out Saudi Arabia.

Trump has said he would consider getting back into Paris if rules especially penalties were tightened up and that all countries especially China and India would have to comply as well.

Alan,

Sometimes I wonder if you are pretending you don't understand or really not understanding.

The mistake of Trump I was referring to was his Tweet that Alabama was going to be hit by the hurricane.

And the hand pencilled line I am refering to is the the tweaking of the weather forecast released by experts to make it look like Trump was not mistaken.

Cheers,
Bernard

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« Reply #772 on: September 06, 2019, 12:46:26 am »

Alan,

Sometimes I wonder if you are pretending you don't understand or really not understanding.

The mistake of Trump I was referring to was his Tweet that Alabama was going to be hit by the hurricane.

And the hand pencilled line I am refering to is the the tweaking of the weather forecast released by experts to make it look like Trump was not mistaken.

Cheers,
Bernard

You expanded the meaning to encompass all of climate skepticism.  I responded by addressing that issue which is the main issue regarding Trump.  Not a minor fabricated political point created by anti-Trump media over a stupid issue of who drew a magic marker line.  If that was the limited point of your post, well then it was very petty.  I gave you more credit than that. 


Here's your original statement:

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This hand penciled black line is a great illustration of how climate scepticism manifests itself.

It is not climate scepticism per se, but illustrate a great example of a desperate attempt to falsify scientific forecast to support one's own political beliefs.

In this case we all understand that this political belief is just Trump unwilling to acknowledge he made a mistake of course.

Cheers,
Bernard

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« Reply #773 on: September 06, 2019, 10:50:33 am »

So, Alan, you seem to think that nearly all media are anti-Trump.  What does that say to you?
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« Reply #774 on: September 06, 2019, 12:02:23 pm »

So, Alan, you seem to think that nearly all media are anti-Trump.  What does that say to you?

Surveys have shown that 90% of reporters are Democrats and liberal.  It's always been that way for 70 years that I remember.  They've always been biased against Republicans and conservative views and have distorted the news.  So what you read is just fake news.  Trump supporters have always known this.  But Trump is the first headliner that has said it pointing his finger at the bias.  So we cheer him on. The press has never been balanced in their news reporting. 

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« Reply #775 on: September 06, 2019, 01:56:55 pm »

So, either it’s a vast, well-organized conspiracy on the part of the news media (and, apparently, academia) or the 90% are correct and their progressive view is the appropriate way to manage the world’s problems.

Which is it?
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« Reply #776 on: September 06, 2019, 02:19:14 pm »

Surveys have shown that 90% of reporters are Democrats and liberal.  It's always been that way for 70 years that I remember.  They've always been biased against Republicans and conservative views and have distorted the news.  So what you read is just fake news.  Trump supporters have always known this.  But Trump is the first headliner that has said it pointing his finger at the bias.  So we cheer him on. The press has never been balanced in their news reporting.

That's funny  cos I remember watching CNN and thinking how conservative-biased it was.
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« Reply #777 on: September 06, 2019, 03:12:57 pm »

From your point of view CNN (the Communist News Network) probably was, Jeremy.
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« Reply #778 on: September 06, 2019, 05:25:56 pm »

So, either it’s a vast, well-organized conspiracy on the part of the news media (and, apparently, academia) or the 90% are correct and their progressive view is the appropriate way to manage the world’s problems.

Which is it?
Fake choice.  Liberals are attracted to media.  So the "conspiracy", if you will,  is that they think alike. 

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« Reply #779 on: September 06, 2019, 06:10:20 pm »

Surveys have shown that 90% of reporters are Democrats and liberal.

What surveys and why is it so? If 90% of the freshly minted journalists are indeed lefties, one possible reason could be that 90% of university professors are also allegedly lefties.
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