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Solutions for wet cleaning Z7
« on: July 15, 2019, 01:48:04 pm »

What are others using to clean the sensor on the Z7?  I have a few areas that the built in sensor cleaning will not remove.

I am assuming eclipse and pec pads or a Visible dust solution green swabs and their cleaning solution or eclipse.

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Re: Solutions for wet cleaning Z7
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2019, 02:46:03 pm »

What are others using to clean the sensor on the Z7?  I have a few areas that the built in sensor cleaning will not remove.

I am assuming eclipse and pec pads or a Visible dust solution green swabs and their cleaning solution or eclipse.

Thanks
Paul

Before wet cleaning, try using a rocket blower first. I also prefer to use Visible Dust Arctic Butterly before using wet cleaning. A sensor loupe is helpful in identifying dust locations and verifying successful cleaning
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Re: Solutions for wet cleaning Z7
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2019, 01:58:37 am »

I also have the Visible Dust Arctic Butterfly. Worst purchase I have ever made. Doesn’t function at all to me as it doesn’t remove the spots at all. Same with the Rocket Blower. What does work though is wet sensor cleaning with the swabs and eclipse fluid. Just apply only one or two drops of fluid, swipe from left to right then back to left and you’re done!

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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2019, 03:01:23 am »

Out of interest Jaap. What camera are you speaking about here? Or is this your experience with multiple cameras?
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2019, 11:31:49 am »

I also have the Visible Dust Arctic Butterfly. Worst purchase I have ever made. Doesn’t function at all to me as it doesn’t remove the spots at all. Same with the Rocket Blower. What does work though is wet sensor cleaning with the swabs and eclipse fluid. Just apply only one or two drops of fluid, swipe from left to right then back to left and you’re done!

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Jaap.

I am mystified why the Rocket Blower and Arctic Butterfly do not work for you. I have been using them for many years on many different cameras. About 70% of dust gets removed with blower, or at least it removes the major sensor contamination. Another 20% of cases is solved with Arctic Butterfly, and for the rest I need to use swabs and wet cleaning.
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Re: Solutions for wet cleaning Z7
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2019, 12:40:51 pm »

thanks to all

I will use the eclispe.  My opinion on the Arctic B, is mixed, I have used their standard brushes with the spinner to "charge" them also. 

This is more of a smudge anyway.  Not sure how it got there, but needs to come off.

I was a bit worried about use of eclispe on a sensor with the PDAF built in, never had to clean my X-H1 or X-T2 and the 50s is a non PDAF sensor.

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Re: Solutions for wet cleaning Z7
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2019, 01:09:52 pm »

I am mystified why the Rocket Blower and Arctic Butterfly do not work for you. I have been using them for many years on many different cameras. About 70% of dust gets removed with blower, or at least it removes the major sensor contamination. Another 20% of cases is solved with Arctic Butterfly, and for the rest I need to use swabs and wet cleaning.

That’s my approach to it exactly. Use the vibrating sensor thing then the blower then the arctic butterfly. 90% that sorts it. Wet cleaning last resort.  I once owned a Canon that splashed oil around like a second hand Landrover and that needed frequent wet cleaning. Mirrorless gets more dust  I find but cleans easier in general.
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Re: Solutions for wet cleaning Z7
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2019, 01:30:51 am »

Several questions, all very relevant. Let me reply on them.

What camera are you speaking about here? Or is this your experience with multiple cameras? => yes, multiple cameras, both IBIS and non-IBIS, in combination with built-in sensor dust shake.

I am mystified why the Rocket Blower and Arctic Butterfly do not work for you. => well, I’m disappointed myself that it doesn’t work for me as this way of working would be so much easier. Unfortunately, I need to do a wet cleaning in order to get my sensors cleaned properly.

About 70% of dust gets removed with blower, or at least it removes the major sensor contamination. Another 20% of cases is solved with Arctic Butterfly => I get the idea that your sensor must contain much, much more dirt patricles than mine. If my assumption is correct in this I can understand that a blower and arctic butterfly ‘could’ work on large particles.

Maybe I’m too picky in this, don’t know. My cleaning only ends with positive results after zero smudges @ f11-16, 100% zoom and a highly stretched out histogram. As mitigation I try to avoid lens changes in the field as much as possible, pre-selecting two lenses to be used and carrying two cameras.

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Jaap.
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2019, 01:47:21 am »

Fair enough and thanks for the response Jaap.

About 18 years back I was wet cleaning a Kodak DCS 460 and put a small scratch onto the sensor. I had to live with it for two years before the camera was upgraded. Made me crazy. I do wet cleans only under extreme duress.
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2019, 12:21:40 pm »

Fair enough and thanks for the response Jaap.

About 18 years back I was wet cleaning a Kodak DCS 460 and put a small scratch onto the sensor. I had to live with it for two years before the camera was upgraded. Made me crazy. I do wet cleans only under extreme duress.
Don't know if you are aware, but blowers gather dust over time and expel it when you squeeze it. I found this out on one site. I got rid of my old one and bought new one and the dust problems subsided substantially. Haven't seen dust for three weeks now. There is blower on the market which has built in filter to stop dust and particles from entering the blower. I think it is from Visible dust. But any with feature will do. I plan on getting one.

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Re: Solutions for wet cleaning Z7
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2019, 12:38:23 pm »

I've been using the Visible Dust blower with filter for years and it's excellent. I found other blowers as they age can deposit more detritus than they remove. The only thing you have to watch with the VD blower is the end cap that contains the filter can come off resulting in possible loss of the filter.

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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2019, 12:45:46 pm »

I've been using the Visible Dust blower with filter for years and it's excellent. I found other blowers as they age can deposit more detritus than they remove. The only thing you have to watch with the VD blower is the end cap that contains the filter can come off resulting in possible loss of the filter.

I will look into buying that blower. I have used the arctic butterfly for years and while expensive it has done a great job for me.
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Re: Solutions for wet cleaning Z7
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2019, 01:01:41 pm »

I've been using the Visible Dust blower with filter for years and it's excellent. I found other blowers as they age can deposit more detritus than they remove. The only thing you have to watch with the VD blower is the end cap that contains the filter can come off resulting in possible loss of the filter.
Ouch, 138 CDN dollars for a blower brush with filter on it. Guess I will pass.

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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2019, 01:05:35 pm »

Ouch. And for me there is still shipping half way around the planet and duties. I will look for an alternative. Or simply wash the one I have. It’s just rubber and plastic and as long as it’s not perished that should sort it out.
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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2019, 01:10:44 pm »

Ouch. And for me there is still shipping half way around the planet and duties. I will look for an alternative. Or simply wash the one I have. It’s just rubber and plastic and as long as it’s not perished that should sort it out.
Turns out what I quoted is a new model I have never seen before. The older model, which is likely what Keith has, is 46 dollars.

"VisibleDust Zee Pro Sensor Cleaning Bulb Blower for Digital Camera - red Nozzle and Back Filter (Free Pouch)" Check for it on Amazon.

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Re: Solutions for wet cleaning Z7
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2019, 02:10:09 pm »

I believe mine was about 30GBP.

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« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2019, 03:45:15 pm »

Okay, I don't work smaller than f5.6 most of the time, and more often around f2 and so I appreciate I'm less likely to pick up on visible particles of whatever on the monitor. The reality is that in at least eleven years I have never cleaned a sensor. I never change lenses outside, so that obviously helps, but that's not my point.

I was really going to say that there is a parallel here with film camera screens too. Until I removed the pentaprism on my first Nikon (F) for the first time in order to put on a grid screen instead of the standard split-image, that prism showed spotless images. After that, forget it. I saw dust, minescule hairs, all the rubbish of the day on the only two screens I ever swapped around. It became impossible to get rid of static, and hence the magnet-like attraction for passing devils. My wife even brought me a supposedly non-static brush from the lab where she worked but it made no difference, so I ended up using a tiny paint brush again. Only reward I ever got from my box of Winsor & Newton water colours. :-)

I think that any touching created havoc. Of course it's different because the sensor dirt is equivalent to dirt on the film, and thus can't be ignored, but could it be that sensors are even more prone to static electricity charges?

Perhaps that, aside from exposure metering challenges, could be a reason digital cameras don't allow prisms to come of - insofar as I know.
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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2019, 12:45:11 am »

First came across PS working in Broward County Florida of all places back in the early to mid 1990’s so I am quite comfortable and fast with the program. I do not find it al all painful to remove the odd spot so perhaps my standards are also fairly ordinary. I once read that having the camera turned on when changing lenses attracts more dust so I don’t do that. I do change lenses in the field. I see no option to this in my workflow. Putting double sided tape on the inside of the rear lens cap weirdly seems to help with the problem. The theory is some random dust that tends to live near the rear lens element gets stuck to the tape like flies on fly paper. It needs to be replaced periodically but actually does seem to help.

1 Remove spots in PS
2 Use the camera self cleaning system
3 Use a Blower
4 use an arctic butterfly
5 Wet clean

Summary of how I deal with dust.
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« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2019, 08:30:07 am »

Hi Martin,

Your workflow flows mine on dust.  Normally, I just take them out in PS, except for Phase One files as that sensor is a dust magnet and needs a blow/wet cleaning a lot more often.  Using a tech camera on a MF back, is just an invitation for dust.

I have something besides dust, a smudge, and it's large enough that I wanted to remove it.  Just bad luck.

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« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2019, 09:11:29 am »

Hi Paul. My main landscape thing was a Leaf 80 MP on a Cambo monorail camera. At least with that system, I had a sliding back, you could change lenses with the sensor tucked away. The problem was the camera leaked dust. As you say. Technical cameras and backs have a lot of dust issues, well that was my experience.

A few years ago I found myself in the middle of a national park in Lesotho with this rather expensive system being protected by a golf umbrella as a thunderstorm swept over.  I decided I was tired of it. Well done to you for sticking with it.
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