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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #800 on: July 25, 2019, 01:41:15 am »

It started soooo promising  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #801 on: July 25, 2019, 02:27:24 am »

More on “racism” and hypocrisy:

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #802 on: July 25, 2019, 06:35:24 am »

The best ever commentary on the Mueller debacle  ;D ;D ;D
Mueller told them how he was going to respond if he was called to testify.  He did exactly that, saying nothing, refusing to corroborate what his own report said.  The Democrats didn't take him at his word.  But the fact is, there was no case.  But the main thing that I believe is the Democrats on his team who did all the work, left the obstruction "issue" in there to give ammunition to the Democrats to continue the charges against Trump until the 2020 election.  Of course, Mueller's performance weakens any arguments they will present.  I suspect many of the Democrat presidential nominees will continue to call for impeachment and the Democrat run House committees will continue their witch hunt of Trump as well.  Just what most American don't care about due to other more important issues.  Pelosi must be furious.

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #803 on: July 25, 2019, 07:49:10 am »

More on “racism” and hypocrisy:
Don't you think that what

 ' the President of the United States'    says

has a different status than any other politician...?
In the Netherlands our PM would not have survived a day
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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #804 on: July 25, 2019, 07:55:00 am »

Mueller told them how he was going to respond if he was called to testify.  He did exactly that, saying nothing, refusing to corroborate what his own report said.  The Democrats didn't take him at his word.  But the fact is, there was no case.  But the main thing that I believe is the Democrats on his team who did all the work, left the obstruction "issue" in there to give ammunition to the Democrats to continue the charges against Trump until the 2020 election.  Of course, Mueller's performance weakens any arguments they will present.  I suspect many of the Democrat presidential nominees will continue to call for impeachment and the Democrat run House committees will continue their witch hunt of Trump as well.  Just what most American don't care about due to other more important issues.  Pelosi must be furious.

I think Mr Mueller is trying to safeguard the American Constitution and is not interested in Party politics.
There is some similarity between the politics in the UK and the US; Politicians are too much busy with the game of party politics and forget about the essence; Doing what is right for the future of their country.

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #805 on: July 25, 2019, 08:11:20 am »

Don't you think that what

 ' the President of the United States'    says

has a different status than any other politician...?
In the Netherlands our PM would not have survived a day
Presidents are elected for a term of 4 years and can be re-elected for one additional term only.  In a parliamentary system, it can end quicker.  But in America, only impeachment and conviction of high crimes and misdemeanors, or resignation or death ends a president's term.  Unfortunately, the Democrats just can't get over the fact Trump won and Hillary lost.  So they are trying mightily to use impeachment to get rid of him rather than using an election where the people decide, a better and more acceptable route. 

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #806 on: July 25, 2019, 08:14:52 am »

I think Mr Mueller is trying to safeguard the American Constitution and is not interested in Party politics.
There is some similarity between the politics in the UK and the US; Politicians are too much busy with the game of party politics and forget about the essence; Doing what is right for the future of their country.


I agree.  Mueller didn't want to get drawn into the politics of the situation or effect it other than what the reports says.  But that's what he said a few weeks ago if the Congress decided to call him to testify.  Democrats didn't take him at his word, called him anyway to testify proving Trump right and being a victim, and now will suffer the consequences of looking stupid as well.

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #807 on: July 25, 2019, 09:08:07 am »

Further surprisingly relevant material here.

We're seeing how removing or altering context can alter meaning, as well as how the preconceptions of the viewer likewise alter meaning.

And some people think they can just stick a photo on a wall, by itself!
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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #808 on: July 25, 2019, 09:21:09 am »

Further surprisingly relevant material here.

We're seeing how removing or altering context can alter meaning, as well as how the preconceptions of the viewer likewise alter meaning.

And some people think they can just stick a photo on a wall, by itself!

You don't need Photoshop to change a photo's meaning. Editors spin a photo's meaning all the time with a phony caption or essay.   

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #809 on: July 25, 2019, 12:44:47 pm »

Don't you think that what

 ' the President of the United States'    says

has a different status than any other politician...?
In the Netherlands our PM would not have survived a day

By this time it is a miracle that people do not get it that Trump is not like any other president, or any other politician, for that matter. Any other politician would pander to the public he speaks to, to the point of adjusting accent to better blend in (like AOC suddenly switching to a ghetto black, when addressing a black crowd, of Hillary's faked southern drawl) or Bill inventing empathizing stories. Trump is a guy who says what he thinks, as if he is sitting at your kitchen table. Many people like that level of honesty. If you ever watched Dr. House (a TV series), you'd know how someone universally described as a major jerk is, at the same time, universally beloved and popular.

As for "sitting at the kitchen table"... A personal experience. My ex-wife is Russian, so we had a lot of Russian friends we would be sitting with around our (or their) kitchen table. There would inevitably be one or two who would start with "America this" or "America that" with a strongly negative connotation. Inevitably, most of us sitting around would respond with: "Heck, Vasya, if it is that bad, why don't you go back?" It is a natural human reaction, nothing racist about it.

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #810 on: July 25, 2019, 03:02:56 pm »

By this time it is a miracle that people do not get it that Trump is not like any other president, or any other politician, for that matter. Any other politician would pander to the public he speaks to, to the point of adjusting accent to better blend in (like AOC suddenly switching to a ghetto black, when addressing a black crowd, of Hillary's faked southern drawl) or Bill inventing empathizing stories. Trump is a guy who says what he thinks, as if he is sitting at your kitchen table. Many people like that level of honesty. If you ever watched Dr. House (a TV series), you'd know how someone universally described as a major jerk is, at the same time, universally beloved and popular.

As for "sitting at the kitchen table"... A personal experience. My ex-wife is Russian, so we had a lot of Russian friends we would be sitting with around our (or their) kitchen table. There would inevitably be one or two who would start with "America this" or "America that" with a strongly negative connotation. Inevitably, most of us sitting around would respond with: "Heck, Vasya, if it is that bad, why don't you go back?" It is a natural human reaction, nothing racist about it.
A related story, not exactly the same.  My grandmother on my mother's side came over from Europe as a child around 1900.  She never became a citizen and spoke little English to her dying days.  Her husband became a naturalized American citizen.  He used to file her alien papers; a requirement at that time.  When my grandfather died, my father would file the papers for her as he worked in the US Post Office and had easy access to the forms.  Every year, right before the papers would have to be re-filed, my grandmother would telephone every day and start pestering my dad to hurry up and file the papers.  "Hurry up," she would yell him in Yiddish, "before they send me back." She was still worried after being here for 75 years.  By that time of course, the little town she grew up in in Eastern Poland or Russia, (depends on what century we're talking about), had long disappeared over the course of time.  They wouldn't know where to send her in any case.  Today, she's buried in New York as is my grandfather, both Americans forever.   

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #811 on: July 25, 2019, 03:05:46 pm »

PS: Slobo.  That was a nice story about your family.  I can see that conversation very easily. 

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #812 on: July 25, 2019, 03:33:40 pm »

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #813 on: July 25, 2019, 10:55:09 pm »

CNN: Impeachment fizzles
Wow.  Never thought I'd hear that from CNN.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/25/politics/trump-impeachment-house-democrats/index.html

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #814 on: July 25, 2019, 11:31:25 pm »

They should call a referendum: "Do you want to stick with the devil you know or would you prefer Mike Pence?"
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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #815 on: July 26, 2019, 12:23:51 am »

They should call a referendum: "Do you want to stick with the devil you know or would you prefer Mike Pence?"

It would never come to Pence as it would never pass the Senate. Just like Clinton.

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #816 on: July 26, 2019, 07:17:30 am »

Except that we know Clinton actually did the stuff he was accused of.
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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #817 on: July 26, 2019, 08:07:05 am »

Except that we know Clinton actually did the stuff he was accused of.

Which was?
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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #818 on: July 26, 2019, 08:27:19 am »

Except that we know Clinton actually did the stuff he was accused of.

But Clinton was an angel compared to the aforementioned devil.
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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #819 on: July 26, 2019, 09:11:30 am »

Which was?

Golly, Robert, I guess the term "sheltered" would be inadequate to describe your world. I can't go into the Clinton debacle on a family web.
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