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Hasselblad 907
« on: June 19, 2019, 09:56:04 am »

So...this seems like an interesting solution to use a digital back instead of the x1d.  And you gain the benefit of attaching to a v series camera, and to tech cameras.  And the battery is finally internal.  All that seems great.  However...does this look like it will be anything but comfortable to hold? 

Too bad it’s not a rotating sensor.  It will be a fun option for square crop though.  I wonder if this makes the x1d that much more appealing now.  Especially with the new version coming down in price. 
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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2019, 11:06:07 am »

I am sure we will quickly see Hasselblad or RRS coming with some accessories.

A pity they could not add a hot shoe for a 30mm viewfinder. That would be a fantastic combo.
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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2019, 11:23:12 am »

Hasselblad once more (Nth time) fails to provide a rotating sensor.

Does Leaf have a patent for perpetuity?

As usual the excitement lasted one minute only.
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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2019, 04:02:54 pm »

An optional digital EVF that could plug into the top would have been amazing too.  I like the idea of the versatility of a digital back, but at the same time... I wonder how often I would use the sensor on a 500cm or a tech cam in reality.  Having both the 500 and a tech cam... I have been eyeing mirrorless medium format more for the functionality and ease of use that comes with them, evfs, etc...  So everything else seems novelty really.  Pricey novelty. 

If Hasselblad were to finally open up autofocus on their H adapter though... that might make the X1D even more appealing.
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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2019, 12:37:37 am »

Hasselblad once more (Nth time) fails to provide a rotating sensor.

Does Leaf have a patent for perpetuity?

As usual the excitement lasted one minute only.

I don’t know about the patent, but with the current pixel pitch a higher precision of sensor placement is neccesary, and probably they didn’t figure it out just yet how to keep the sensor on the similar distance when it is rotated many times.
I think the closest one could get is to rotate the back and the camera body together (for example the cambo rws 1600), but I think that is a good enough solution for the problem.
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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2019, 03:44:35 am »

At the prices these things come in at they should just do that friggin' square sensor, once and for all.

Having used both 500 Series cameras and Nikons most of my career, they were a horses for courses choice, and the beauty of the tripod-bound 'blad was you didn't have to rotate the damned camera.

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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2019, 04:43:39 am »

At the prices these things come in at they should just do that friggin' square sensor, once and for all.

Having used both 500 Series cameras and Nikons most of my career, they were a horses for courses choice, and the beauty of the tripod-bound 'blad was you didn't have to rotate the damned camera.

Rob

I could probably buy a brand new 'caveman' for less than the price of that square 56x56 sensor.

;-)

That said, I'd be surprised if the option to both see and shoot square wasn't an option on the new back.

I can shoot square on the 45MP Z7 and still end up with a 30MP file that would give 56x56 film a run for its money, and some. Let's face it, it's probably all too late.
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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2019, 05:29:18 am »

I don’t know about the patent, but with the current pixel pitch a higher precision of sensor placement is neccesary, and probably they didn’t figure it out just yet how to keep the sensor on the similar distance when it is rotated many times.
I think the closest one could get is to rotate the back and the camera body together (for example the cambo rws 1600), but I think that is a good enough solution for the problem.

The Dalsa/TruSense sensor in the Leaf/Phase 80mp Rotating Sensor had a pixel size of 5.2 microns. This new Hasselblad uses the older sony 50mp sensor that has a pixel size of 5.3 microns. In other words the rotating sensor was accomplished in a scenario that required (very slightly)more precision, not less.
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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2019, 06:50:04 am »

Anyone see any mention of whether this back can mount vertically, or not?

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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2019, 09:12:02 am »

1.  I could probably buy a brand new 'caveman' for less than the price of that square 56x56 sensor.

;-)

That said, I'd be surprised if the option to both see and shoot square wasn't an option on the new back.

I can shoot square on the 45MP Z7 and still end up with a 30MP file that would give 56x56 film a run for its money, and some. 2.  Let's face it, it's probably all too late.


1.  But Keith, you know that you wouldn't! (You'd spend it all wanderlusting.) Neither would I. For me, It's far too late to be able to produce the reflexes that speed requires. ;-(

The problem with cropping what a camera can actually give you is in the head: I'd feel I was being silly and wasteful; second-besting. Once touched with the puritanical ethic, it's indelible.

2.  Probably all too late: for me, no doubt about it. At a push, not dependent on lottery but solely on the unlikely event of work, I might stretch to a D850 and a fast 300mm. The one I had was the IFED f4.5 version and seldom saw any use. I did make a couple of scans from Kodachromes where it was used to shoot a bell in a church tower: terrible chromatic aberrations. As bad, the focus was so loose that just letting the ring go was enough to upset focus. It all vanished back into a camera store on one of my ill-fated trades to 6x7.

I bought a new plant for a pot today; felt quite good about that.

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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2019, 10:12:46 am »


But Keith, you know that you wouldn't! (You'd spend it all wanderlusting)...

Quite right. I've long since realised that opportunity is key. 
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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2019, 08:53:14 pm »

Maybe I can now sell my Flexbody (which has been modified to do sideways shifts and swings).

A digital back with great Liveview is all that it needs to become a fantastic technical camera with +/-25° of tilt compared with the limited +/- 10° of modern tech cameras.

Anyone interested?
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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2019, 09:26:19 pm »

An optional digital EVF that could plug into the top would have been amazing too.  I like the idea of the versatility of a digital back, but at the same time... I wonder how often I would use the sensor on a 500cm or a tech cam in reality.  Having both the 500 and a tech cam... I have been eyeing mirrorless medium format more for the functionality and ease of use that comes with them, evfs, etc...  So everything else seems novelty really.  Pricey novelty. 

If Hasselblad were to finally open up autofocus on their H adapter though... that might make the X1D even more appealing.

I was under the impression that you could autofocus with the H lenses with the X1D?  As of firmware 1.21.0 according to the Hasselblad website..

Please note that the HC/HCD Lens must have firmware 18.0.0 or later. Lenses with older firmware have hardware that cannot be updated with this firmware. They can only be used with manual focus on the X1D.

As of firmware version 1.21.0, the X1D supports the XH Lens Adapter with auto focus for the following lenses:

HCD 4,8/24, HCD 4/28, HC 3,5/35, HC 3,5/50, HC 3,5/50-II, HC 2,8/80, HC 2,2/100, HC 3,2/150 N, HC 4/210, HC 4,5/300, HC 3,5-4,5/50-110, HCD 4,0-5,6/35-90



Would love to see autofocus with the H lenses on the GFX though, that would pretty much end any talk of needing leaf shutter lenses for the system...
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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2019, 10:49:44 pm »

Would love to see autofocus with the H lenses on the GFX though, that would pretty much end any talk of needing leaf shutter lenses for the system...

I am not sure it is that relevant with a good EVF on the GFX100.

Focusing lenses manually through back screen live view is a major pain, but manual focus with the EVF is much better.

Mirrorless users, inluding myself, all report a major increase of ease of use of MF lenses after moving to mirrorless from DSLRs.

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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2019, 05:24:37 pm »

Is the 907 compatible with the CFV I back or only the new CFV II?

I thought it was compatible with the CFV I, which is why this looked like a smart move for Hasselblad, but after rereading the announcement they only speak about the CFV Ii.

Is there really a market for new backs for the V bodies just to enable live view focusing through X1 lenses?

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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2019, 01:32:49 am »


Is there really a market for new backs for the V bodies just to enable live view focusing through X1 lenses?


You don't think there's a market for a new back with a modern sensor for the V bodies using C/CF/CFi lenses ?

Depending on price there is in my studio.
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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2019, 03:35:32 am »



Is there really a market for new backs for the V bodies just to enable live view focusing through X1 lenses?


If you see the crazy prices used CFV I backs are going for, I guess there is still a good market. Now that the battery is integrated and they have a tilted screen, it is becoming much more user-friendly.

I will surely buy one.
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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2019, 07:59:27 am »

I could be wrong, but I believe that recent 35mm lenses are so sharp and well corrected that it makes very little sense to use V lenses with a sensor that isn’t that much larger than FF and that hardly offers any resolution advantage.

To me we are in the romantic myths... ;)

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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2019, 11:08:52 am »

Is the 907 compatible with the CFV I back or only the new CFV II?

I thought it was compatible with the CFV I, which is why this looked like a smart move for Hasselblad, but after rereading the announcement they only speak about the CFV Ii.

Is there really a market for new backs for the V bodies just to enable live view focusing through X1 lenses?

Looks like CFV II only; details at DPR on page 13: https://www.dpreview.com/articles/1158727149/hands-on-with-the-hasselblad-cfv-ii-50c-and-907x?slide=13

An old rationalisation for cropping with old lenses: “they’re not sharp enough in the corners for modern sensors”
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Re: Hasselblad 907
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2019, 03:57:02 pm »

Looks like CFV II only; details at DPR on page 13: https://www.dpreview.com/articles/1158727149/hands-on-with-the-hasselblad-cfv-ii-50c-and-907x?slide=13

An old rationalisation for cropping with old lenses: “they’re not sharp enough in the corners for modern sensors”

And neither were they sharp enough in the central zone to compete with FF 135 film fornat. I once tested it out: I made a headshot using the 135mm on a Nikon and then using the 150mm on the 500C/M, making the actual image on film the same size. Nikon was sharper.

To get better tonality you have to fill the larger frame. It might then also appear as sharp.

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