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Sigma DP1M - first 12x18 print on 17x22
« on: June 10, 2019, 11:16:43 am »

I am quite impressed with the results from this camera.

With the help of a friend who is more experienced with Photoshop and soft proofing, I was able to make a beautiful print and the details held up extremely well.

Once I had lightened the shadows a bit with the Sigma "fill light" feature (first export to TIFF was too dark), I was able to again export to 16 bit TIFF and load in to Photoshop.  Some 8x10 proofs to check the color and tweak things, then, the full 17x22 sheet was printed.  Looks great.

Very much looking forward to the Sigma L-mount camera which is supposed to come out in 2020.
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Re: Sigma DP1M - first 12x18 print on 17x22
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2019, 10:22:01 pm »

I am quite impressed with the results from this camera.

With the help of a friend who is more experienced with Photoshop and soft proofing, I was able to make a beautiful print and the details held up extremely well.

Once I had lightened the shadows a bit with the Sigma "fill light" feature (first export to TIFF was too dark), I was able to again export to 16 bit TIFF and load in to Photoshop.  Some 8x10 proofs to check the color and tweak things, then, the full 17x22 sheet was printed.  Looks great.

Very much looking forward to the Sigma L-mount camera which is supposed to come out in 2020.

I have all three Sigma DP Merrill cameras, and a Fuji GFX 50s.  The Merrills, while horrible cameras from a versatility, and even usability standpoint - true one-trick ponies, still impress with stunning image quality within their very narrow band of capability.

Rand
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Re: Sigma DP1M - first 12x18 print on 17x22
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2019, 05:54:06 pm »

Aah, that is interesting, Rand. Over 6 years, I have now been using DP Merrils for landscape photography. Mostly in wooded areas, and always on a tripod. I think the image quality is very satisfying, very good across the whole frame corner to corner. In particular considering the small form factor. When the scene has a lot of detail (e.g. foliage), I would not want print much larger than 20x30, though. Another limitation (a major one) I see in their small dynamic range. Highlights clip very easily.

So I have also been entertaining the idea to upgrade to a GFX. Better resolution, better dynamic range. More focal length options.

May I ask you about your experience? Did your 50s completely replace your Merrils? Does the smaller depth-of-focus create new problems in practice? If you are using the 32-64mm zoom: does it hold up well for landscape?

Thanks

Frank

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Re: Sigma DP1M - first 12x18 print on 17x22
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2019, 11:47:03 pm »

Aah, that is interesting, Rand. Over 6 years, I have now been using DP Merrils for landscape photography. Mostly in wooded areas, and always on a tripod. I think the image quality is very satisfying, very good across the whole frame corner to corner. In particular considering the small form factor. When the scene has a lot of detail (e.g. foliage), I would not want print much larger than 20x30, though. Another limitation (a major one) I see in their small dynamic range. Highlights clip very easily.

So I have also been entertaining the idea to upgrade to a GFX. Better resolution, better dynamic range. More focal length options.

May I ask you about your experience? Did your 50s completely replace your Merrils? Does the smaller depth-of-focus create new problems in practice? If you are using the 32-64mm zoom: does it hold up well for landscape?

Thanks

Frank

Hi Frank,

Your experience with the Merrills very much reflects my own.  Within their narrow range, they are stellar.
The GFX is orders of magnitude more versatile, of course.  The enormous dynamic range will stun you, especially in comparison to the Merrills (or most cameras for that matter). 

Since I shot medium format film cameras for years, the return to a more limited apparent depth of field at any given aperture wasn’t a shock - but it does require being more careful and deliberate in order to assure that you’re getting the depth you need.  It is a little more difficult to judge what kind of DOF you’re getting with either the LCD or the EVF.  But with some testing / comparing it doesn’t take long to adjust.  And if you’re shooting wide, eg. the 23mm or on the wide end of the 32-64, a phone-app DOF calculator will get you to the hyperfocal distance quickly and adequate DOF becomes a non-issue for the most part.

The GFX 50s requires, IMO, deliberate handling, whereas with the Merrills being so small / portable one can be a bit more casual as long as there’s good light or a tripod.

I’ve pre ordered the GFX 100 and may or may not keep the 50s depending on how things test out... but I’m not sure I will ever sell the Merrills.   For those of us who have had the privilege of shooting and printing from them (and who are willing to put up with the terrible Sigma software to get to a tiff, LOL) I think there is an “X” factor that no other camera has - including the GFX, believe it or not.  And up to about 20x30” the prints are superb.

I shot a still life with the DP3 and posted it to PhotoNet a year or two ago, it was the “Photo of the Week” selection and I had many folk asking me what kind of 4x5 film and camera I used.  I thought that was really funny.



Obviously, if I had to choose between the GFX and the Merrills, there’s absolutely NO CONTEST.  Fuji has done something special in their own right, and the amazing versatility (you can raise shadows a good 4 stops with no problem at all if you’re the least bit proficient) is something the Sigmas could only dream about.  But the Merrills can be dragged about in the car, with a reasonably small tripod and set up and shot fairly quickly and are fun to use, too, and appeal to the iconoclast in me!   ;D

As you say, also, even owning all three Merrills limits focal length selection, and the Fuji lenses are truly stellar.  I have the 23, 45, 32-64, 110, 120 and 250mm w/ 1.4 extender and have only begun to explore the visual possibilities.  The 45mm 2.8 is, perhaps, the sharpest lens I’ve ever owned - from corner to corner right from 2.8 on.

I don’t think you’d be the least bit disappointed in the GFX.  At the risk of sounding a Merrill “fan boy,” a “perfect” Merrill shot, up to about a 17x22” print will give the GFX a run for its money within that “sweet spot” of plenty of light, limited scene referenced DR, and base ISO.  But the consistency of stunningly superb results with the GFX in all kinds of challenging conditions is just a different game altogether and provides vastly greater opportunities for fine image making.

Best,
Rand
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Re: Sigma DP1M - first 12x18 print on 17x22
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2019, 08:15:50 pm »

A stunning shot Rand!

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Re: Sigma DP1M - first 12x18 print on 17x22
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2019, 06:45:26 am »

Yes there is something about the Sigma DPs image quality that sets them above Canon/Sony/Nikon digital sensors. These two images from the DP3 from winter 2014...NYBG in the Bronx

otherwise they are clunky to use...and Sigma software is just as clunky...but overall wonderful cameras
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Re: Sigma DP1M - first 12x18 print on 17x22
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2019, 07:09:59 am »

Good topic combined beautiful photos!
Sigma may be thanked for adding worthful equipment for photographers in their own special way.
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Re: Sigma DP1M - first 12x18 print on 17x22
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2019, 05:48:40 pm »

Hi Frank,

Your experience with the Merrills very much reflects my own.  Within their narrow range, they are stellar.
The GFX is orders of magnitude more versatile, of course.  The enormous dynamic range will stun you, especially in comparison to the Merrills (or most cameras for that matter). 

Since I shot medium format film cameras for years, the return to a more limited apparent depth of field at any given aperture wasn’t a shock - but it does require being more careful and deliberate in order to assure that you’re getting the depth you need.  It is a little more difficult to judge what kind of DOF you’re getting with either the LCD or the EVF.  But with some testing / comparing it doesn’t take long to adjust.  And if you’re shooting wide, eg. the 23mm or on the wide end of the 32-64, a phone-app DOF calculator will get you to the hyperfocal distance quickly and adequate DOF becomes a non-issue for the most part.

The GFX 50s requires, IMO, deliberate handling, whereas with the Merrills being so small / portable one can be a bit more casual as long as there’s good light or a tripod.

I’ve pre ordered the GFX 100 and may or may not keep the 50s depending on how things test out... but I’m not sure I will ever sell the Merrills.   For those of us who have had the privilege of shooting and printing from them (and who are willing to put up with the terrible Sigma software to get to a tiff, LOL) I think there is an “X” factor that no other camera has - including the GFX, believe it or not.  And up to about 20x30” the prints are superb.

I shot a still life with the DP3 and posted it to PhotoNet a year or two ago, it was the “Photo of the Week” selection and I had many folk asking me what kind of 4x5 film and camera I used.  I thought that was really funny.



Obviously, if I had to choose between the GFX and the Merrills, there’s absolutely NO CONTEST.  Fuji has done something special in their own right, and the amazing versatility (you can raise shadows a good 4 stops with no problem at all if you’re the least bit proficient) is something the Sigmas could only dream about.  But the Merrills can be dragged about in the car, with a reasonably small tripod and set up and shot fairly quickly and are fun to use, too, and appeal to the iconoclast in me!   ;D

As you say, also, even owning all three Merrills limits focal length selection, and the Fuji lenses are truly stellar.  I have the 23, 45, 32-64, 110, 120 and 250mm w/ 1.4 extender and have only begun to explore the visual possibilities.  The 45mm 2.8 is, perhaps, the sharpest lens I’ve ever owned - from corner to corner right from 2.8 on.

I don’t think you’d be the least bit disappointed in the GFX.  At the risk of sounding a Merrill “fan boy,” a “perfect” Merrill shot, up to about a 17x22” print will give the GFX a run for its money within that “sweet spot” of plenty of light, limited scene referenced DR, and base ISO.  But the consistency of stunningly superb results with the GFX in all kinds of challenging conditions is just a different game altogether and provides vastly greater opportunities for fine image making.

Best,
Rand

Thank you for your detailed reply, Randy! I am now even more interested to explore the GFX. Please do report on your experience with the 100. Before I make my decision, I want to understand how much difference the 100 makes in practice - it will be a longer term investment for me.

For now, I continue to enjoy the Merrills. Good cameras :-). Your still life is amazing, its presence, the colors, ...!

Best regards

Frank
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