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Re: Creativity
« Reply #40 on: May 26, 2019, 11:15:00 am »

My personal opinion is that it is a fantasy to believe that if anybody gets my name and address then he knows ME

You can learn more about my person by looking at my images and my opinions than investigating my phone number.
Then you can guess with whom (what kind of person) you are dealing

And anyway, there is no guarantee that the names and addresses published are true and not just a different alias.
Isn't it?

Where are your pictures?

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Re: Creativity
« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2019, 11:45:19 am »

I provide my real name and link to my photos on FLickr so people can identify me personally and verify if I seem to know what I'm talking about.  It gives my posts credibility, I believe.   I state I live in NJ, USA but don;t give my exact address for security reasons. 

Providing a location like a state or country helps discern a person;s post.  If a discussion was about the camera market in Japan, I'd give the poster who lives and identifies his home town as Osaka more credibility about the subject than a poster in Montana. 

Also, when posters give opinions about editing in post or other suggestions about creating better photographs, I want to see their work.  EVen if they're experts, the process they are recommending may give the kind of results I'm not interested in getting.  Without seeing their work that their procedures create, why would I waste time trying their methods?  The fact is most people are not experts in the first place.  Why would I take their recommendations seriously if they fail to show me their work?

That sums up my position very well.
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Re: Creativity
« Reply #42 on: May 26, 2019, 11:50:14 am »

That sums up my position very well.

Probably the same for all professional snappers, past or current. If you feel you have nothing to hide, why not?

However, that still requires a sense of awareness about private info; there's a difference between revealing pix and card numbers!

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Re: Creativity
« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2019, 12:35:33 pm »

Probably the same for all professional snappers, past or current. If you feel you have nothing to hide, why not?

However, that still requires a sense of awareness about private info; there's a difference between revealing pix and card numbers!

;-)

Absolutely! Some people hide in the weeds and snipe...Not my way of making a living.

Peter
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Re: Creativity
« Reply #44 on: May 26, 2019, 01:06:26 pm »

Where are your pictures?

At LuLa under "rabanito"
I'm always posting some
And some of my opinions as well

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Re: Creativity
« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2019, 01:26:39 pm »

Rabanito,

In your own words... that's all I ask.

Peter

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Re: Creativity
« Reply #46 on: May 26, 2019, 01:26:49 pm »

At LuLa under "rabanito"
I'm always posting some
And some of my opinions as well


That provides a problem: seeing an isolated snap now and again fails, utterly, to give a sense of personal style, visual opinions and achievement. You really need access to a portfolio for resolving such issues. If you consider some of my well-known favourite photographers, just an image now and again would never allow the stamp of identity that makes them all so precious to me; they might appear just one hit wonders.

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Re: Creativity
« Reply #47 on: May 26, 2019, 01:28:57 pm »



Also, when posters give opinions about editing in post or other suggestions about creating better photographs, I want to see their work.  EVen if they're experts, the process they are recommending may give the kind of results I'm not interested in getting.  Without seeing their work that their procedures create, why would I waste time trying their methods?  The fact is most people are not experts in the first place.  Why would I take their recommendations seriously if they fail to show me their work?

Well in my opinion I get advice from many people at Lula and from books from whom I'm not aware of having seen ANYTHING of their work.
For one thing I got a head on my shoulders and I can test what they say.
And in less than a year I learned tremendously from those people.
Fraser, Schewe, Digital Dog, van der Wolf and many others. Maybe they don't even exist (I'm sure they do but that's not the point)
I tried their methods and they work. That's why I take them seriously, not because thy live in Montana or in Florida.
Their pictures? I've never seen one if you ask me.
And - my personal opinion - if I want to see the work to be a judge, then I want to see the prints.


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Re: Creativity
« Reply #48 on: May 26, 2019, 01:36:11 pm »

Rabanito,

In your own words... that's all I ask.

Petet

Peter. A little out of context.
Without going into a deep argument, the poster was referring to his own photography a "art".
Then you HAVE to show what you are talking about.
If we discuss my "art" (God forbid!  ;), then I'd refer you to "rabanito" in lula. You don't need my real name or address, do you?
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Re: Creativity
« Reply #49 on: May 26, 2019, 01:38:57 pm »

Well in my opinion I get advice from many people at Lula and from books from whom I'm not aware of having seen ANYTHING of their work.
For one thing I got a head on my shoulders and I can test what they say.
And in less than a year I learned tremendously from those people.
Fraser, Schewe, Digital Dog, van der Wolf and many others. Maybe they don't even exist (I'm sure they do but that's not the point)
I tried their methods and they work. That's why I take them seriously, not because thy live in Montana or in Florida.
Their pictures? I've never seen one if you ask me.
And - my personal opinion - if I want to see the work to be a judge, then I want to see the prints.


Ah, the prints.

In this age of lost arts, I'd rather see the online version of the work. Many can produce their version of the perfect file, which is as far as they may want to fly, but for prints - that's another ballgame altogether. Having produced prints in both analogue and digital, I know I am predisposed to favouring the look and flavour of those from the darkroom; just a personal bias, but indelibly ingrained in my judgemental senses. A file, seen on my monitor or little iPad, is fair and neutral ground if only because it's now how I see my own product.

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Re: Creativity
« Reply #50 on: May 26, 2019, 01:41:13 pm »

Peter. A little out of context.
Without going into a deep argument, the poster was referring to his own photography a "art".
Then you HAVE to show what you are talking about.
If we discuss my "art" (God forbid!  ;), then I'd refer you to "rabanito" in lula. You don't need my real name or address, do you?

The point is you found it a good thing to look him up...again, that's all I ask. This is the end of it for me.
Thanks for the memories.

Peter

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Those gents you mentioned in a recent post, all can be found on line...
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Re: Creativity
« Reply #51 on: May 26, 2019, 01:56:40 pm »

On the one hand, we're talking about social norms which neither have, nor require, an excuse.

That said, I find the "I want to see your pictures" statement to be generally without a lot of merit. In general, it's probably actually less work to simply try out someone's suggestion than to dig through some gallery somewhere, guessing about whether or not the person's advice is illustrated in DSC_0294 or, 400 pictures later, in DSC_1279. To my eye, the statement isn't really about whether or not you are checking up on a fellow's suggestion, it's just curiosity, and a desire to pass judgement.

I could, for instance, tell you how to do an enlarger diffusion effect in your favorite photo editing tool, but unless I specifically attached a photo to the description, you'd be pretty much as sea trying to find any samples of the method in my work. If I were to "show you my pictures" you'd get a handful of links to a handful of places which contain a variety of different kinds of things, done over something like a decade. Only a handful of them use "enlarger diffusion." Could you usefully judge what I am doing today from this mess of material? Not really, not as far as I can see.

You could, however, form a judgement of me as a photographer. More precisely, you can form a judgement of how closely my photography hews to your ideas of what constitutes good photography, which leads to, roughly, two outcomes:

1. I'm doing photography pretty much the way you do (i.e. good)  in which case I probably have little to offer you.
2. I'm doing photography quite a bit differently from you do (i.e. bad) in which case you're going to dismiss my suggestions, because I am all wrong.

There's probably a narrow gap in which I am doing photography which is pretty much what you like and do, but there's some technique I am using which you have yet to master. May I suggest youtube?
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Re: Creativity
« Reply #52 on: May 26, 2019, 02:18:37 pm »

Everyone in forums is giving their advice.  How do you discern quality and experience, one from the other?   

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Re: Creativity
« Reply #53 on: May 26, 2019, 02:21:36 pm »

At LuLa under "rabanito"
I'm always posting some
And some of my opinions as well


I'm sorry but I don't know how to find your pictures.  I checked your "profile" page but can't find them.  What am I missing?

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Re: Creativity
« Reply #54 on: May 26, 2019, 02:27:57 pm »

On the one hand, we're talking about social norms which neither have, nor require, an excuse.

That said, I find the "I want to see your pictures" statement to be generally without a lot of merit. In general, it's probably actually less work to simply try out someone's suggestion than to dig through some gallery somewhere, guessing about whether or not the person's advice is illustrated in DSC_0294 or, 400 pictures later, in DSC_1279. To my eye, the statement isn't really about whether or not you are checking up on a fellow's suggestion, it's just curiosity, and a desire to pass judgement.

I could, for instance, tell you how to do an enlarger diffusion effect in your favorite photo editing tool, but unless I specifically attached a photo to the description, you'd be pretty much as sea trying to find any samples of the method in my work. If I were to "show you my pictures" you'd get a handful of links to a handful of places which contain a variety of different kinds of things, done over something like a decade. Only a handful of them use "enlarger diffusion." Could you usefully judge what I am doing today from this mess of material? Not really, not as far as I can see.

You could, however, form a judgement of me as a photographer. More precisely, you can form a judgement of how closely my photography hews to your ideas of what constitutes good photography, which leads to, roughly, two outcomes:

1. I'm doing photography pretty much the way you do (i.e. good)  in which case I probably have little to offer you.
2. I'm doing photography quite a bit differently from you do (i.e. bad) in which case you're going to dismiss my suggestions, because I am all wrong.

There's probably a narrow gap in which I am doing photography which is pretty much what you like and do, but there's some technique I am using which you have yet to master. May I suggest youtube?

How about you are liberally handing out information on which cameras are the best for certain purposes and if anyone dares to disagree with you your typical response would be to denigrate their obvious lack of photographic standards. I take a look at your photos and decide not to take your advice too seriously since your photography is just rubbish.

Obviously the above is merely a example and I am neither implying or saying this has been my experience with you. I can’t actually recall you ever becoming heated about equipment.
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Re: Creativity
« Reply #55 on: May 26, 2019, 02:28:03 pm »

On the one hand, we're talking about social norms which neither have, nor require, an excuse.

That said, I find the "I want to see your pictures" statement to be generally without a lot of merit. In general, it's probably actually less work to simply try out someone's suggestion than to dig through some gallery somewhere, guessing about whether or not the person's advice is illustrated in DSC_0294 or, 400 pictures later, in DSC_1279. To my eye, the statement isn't really about whether or not you are checking up on a fellow's suggestion, it's just curiosity, and a desire to pass judgement.

I could, for instance, tell you how to do an enlarger diffusion effect in your favorite photo editing tool, but unless I specifically attached a photo to the description, you'd be pretty much as sea trying to find any samples of the method in my work. If I were to "show you my pictures" you'd get a handful of links to a handful of places which contain a variety of different kinds of things, done over something like a decade. Only a handful of them use "enlarger diffusion." Could you usefully judge what I am doing today from this mess of material? Not really, not as far as I can see.

You could, however, form a judgement of me as a photographer. More precisely, you can form a judgement of how closely my photography hews to your ideas of what constitutes good photography, which leads to, roughly, two outcomes:

1. I'm doing photography pretty much the way you do (i.e. good)  in which case I probably have little to offer you.
2. I'm doing photography quite a bit differently from you do (i.e. bad) in which case you're going to dismiss my suggestions, because I am all wrong.

There's probably a narrow gap in which I am doing photography which is pretty much what you like and do, but there's some technique I am using which you have yet to master. May I suggest youtube?


In your second paragraph I'd suggest you intentionally miss the point, that point being that the nature of the guy's photographs indeed serve as judgement of his qualifications for passing on advice, and are far more than idle curiosity: they constitute vital information for evaluating merit, as pointed out. Of course, should someone prefer to avoid showing his work, then the natural conclusions will certainly be drawn.

In your third paragraph you actually describe the situation I painted for rabanito: only a website or easily-available collection provides the critical mass and continuity you need to evaluate a general standard of work/merit-or-otherwise.

In your fourth paragraph you hit upon the truth: one needs to decide on your value as a photographer. The second part of that paragraph seems just a diversionary tactic designed to discredit the first, valid part of that message.

Paragraph five is nothing more than two arbitrary concepts designed to fit your tendered proposition.

The last paragraph may be delusionary - without visual proof we are right back in the sticks from whence we were trying to escape!

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Re: Creativity
« Reply #56 on: May 26, 2019, 02:37:02 pm »

I am perhaps hampered here by the fact that, over many years I have boiled all my "advice" on how to take better pictures to:

1. Open your god-damned eyes.
2. Feel something.

which places me perhaps outside the envelope of normal forum advice purveyors.
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Re: Creativity
« Reply #57 on: May 26, 2019, 02:53:15 pm »

The point is you found it a good thing to look him up...again, that's all I ask. This is the end of it for me.
Thanks for the memories.

Peter

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Those gents you mentioned in a recent post, all can be found on line...
Of course they are. But the important thing is that what they say is sound, not if they publish their addresses, Peter
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Re: Creativity
« Reply #58 on: May 26, 2019, 03:01:27 pm »


That provides a problem: seeing an isolated snap now and again fails, utterly, to give a sense of personal style, visual opinions and achievement. You really need access to a portfolio for resolving such issues. If you consider some of my well-known favourite photographers, just an image now and again would never allow the stamp of identity that makes them all so precious to me; they might appear just one hit wonders.

Tht's how it is.
There is no conditio a priori for participating in this forum such as having a webpage,a flickpage, an instagram page, a facebook account or whatever.
I JUST DON'T HAVE ANY. 
About one hit wonders. And so what?
I'm not here to show off or prove anything. Come on, Rob...

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« Reply #59 on: May 26, 2019, 03:04:29 pm »

I'm sorry but I don't know how to find your pictures.  I checked your "profile" page but can't find them.  What am I missing?
Click on "rabanito"
Click on "postings"
If you care, looc aat landscape showcase or any other where pics are published.
Portfolios? There is none. Nowhere but at home
I don't understand what the matter is.
If I give you my phone number will you find my pics better?
I doubt it  8)
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