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Slobodan Blagojevic

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #160 on: December 11, 2019, 03:38:32 am »

Can you get sizable discounts as an individual?

I believe that the answer is that you can get discount from Apple as a corporate user buying 10 machines.

If I by two, for me and a friend, would they at least let me round it to $100 K?

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #161 on: December 11, 2019, 06:17:58 am »

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #162 on: December 11, 2019, 07:07:39 am »

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #163 on: December 11, 2019, 09:30:52 am »

Can you get sizable discounts as an individual?

Yes, on machines that expensive.

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #164 on: December 11, 2019, 07:50:46 pm »

Yes, on machines that expensive.

Thanks, good to know.

What level of discount would you expect to be able to negotiate as a buyer with no pre-existing relationship?

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #165 on: December 11, 2019, 11:53:58 pm »

Thanks, good to know.

What level of discount would you expect to be able to negotiate as a buyer with no pre-existing relationship?


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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #166 on: December 14, 2019, 09:49:06 am »

Things are getting cheaper.
Just found this item on macsales for 1200$:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDACC4M208T/

Internal PCI 8TB NVME to be used on a PCI3.0 4x slot.   
in raid0 it can do 6000MB/sec.

You can put it in the new mac Pro, but on all other macs it has to be connected via thunderbolt in some external PCI-enclosure.
The old 2012 macpro has PCI 2.0 so will not get the most out of it.
Every recent PC-tower will be able to use it.
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #167 on: December 14, 2019, 01:35:17 pm »

Sonnet makes a PCIe3.0 card to 4x NVMe slots for $400 - https://www.sonnettech.com/product/m2-4x4-pcie-card.html
Pair that up with 1-4 drives and have at it.

If you're doing TB3 you can do the https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/express-4m2 for $290. Not quite as fast (TB3 is a PCIe 3 x4 tech).

The new Mac Pro should be able to take 3 PCIe cards at x16 and 3 more at x8 (assuming a single height graphics card).
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210104
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #168 on: December 14, 2019, 06:29:49 pm »

While the new macpro uses PCI-3.0
PCI-4.0 boards are already the new norm.
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #169 on: December 14, 2019, 10:34:22 pm »

While the new macpro uses PCI-3.0
PCI-4.0 boards are already the new norm.

Yes, that's true.

Now the Pro is still by far the best solution for those looking for a very powerful Mac supported by Apple.

But there are indeed faster and cheaper options in the Windows world.

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« Reply #170 on: December 15, 2019, 09:36:14 am »

It is possible that the nextgen iMac has PCI4.0 and will be again faster than this Mac Pro for some use.
Faster is one of the key selling points of the MacPro.

PCI 4.0 doubles the bandwidth for NVME memory and Graphic cards.  Already you can buy very fast PCI4.0 ssd's at 200€/TB that can do 5GB/sec.
in real life that is 4300mb/sec vs 2600mb/sec for the current ssd's.

So a Windows tower with PCI 4.0 will be a faster and cheaper solution for many purposes than this new MacPro;
Also the new generation of AMD-cpu's are equally fast and cheaper than the intel processors.

Key point of the MacPro will be the specific combination of hardware to efficiently work with FinalCutPro-X.
In that light it is really unlogical how they first killed the old FinalCutPro to go to FinalCutPro-X.
They lost a lot of the potential buyers for this MacPro.

It is unlogical that Apple has not chosen the PCI-4.0 platform for this Mac Pro; But that has to do with the Xeon processors that always walk behind, but are more reliable.
I do not know exactly how important that difference is for FinalCutPro-X, but it is crucial for scientific work.
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #171 on: December 18, 2019, 02:15:32 am »

Mac Pro’s used to be the best in class technology wise. Not anymore now, due to the continuing use of Xeons (tailored for server applications and multi-CPU designs) and a motherboard with an old(er) PCIe 3.0 interface.


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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #172 on: January 04, 2020, 06:13:09 am »

Diglloyd is testing a Macpro 16 core and finds the Xeons core-speed is already 30% behind the i9 in the 2019 Imac.
( and the iMac 2019 is still slower than my 1.5 year old i9-hackintosh)

So that makes the macPro even more a niche product.

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #173 on: January 07, 2020, 01:24:57 pm »

I thought I would see how fast my 2 year old build (i7-8700K stock, 64gb Ram, Nvidia GTX 1070, Samsung 960 1TB) compared to Diglloyd speeds.  To my surprise I am as fast as his brand new Mac Pro in executing the processing of 190 4150 Raw Files to best quality Jpeg. 

I'm ready to start a new build because for sure Apple isn't getting any of my money for a Mac Pro. 

Cheers......

Victor
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #174 on: January 07, 2020, 07:15:17 pm »

I thought I would see how fast my 2 year old build (i7-8700K stock, 64gb Ram, Nvidia GTX 1070, Samsung 960 1TB) compared to Diglloyd speeds.  To my surprise I am as fast as his brand new Mac Pro in executing the processing of 190 4150 Raw Files to best quality Jpeg. 

I'm ready to start a new build because for sure Apple isn't getting any of my money for a Mac Pro. 

Cheers......

Victor

Speed is equal because in this case it all depends on the GPU- with a 2020 high end GPU you will be a lot faster i think...without a major upgrade.
also you can mount already that same 4x2TB RAID0 harddisk and have the diskspeed he has : 6GB/sec. 
Then Lloyd has serious problem connecting his 'old' NEC 2560x1600 px screen... - Could be Apple that only 5K and the new 6K screens work perfect...
Then 10.15 Catalina... have not heard anything good about that.

https://macperformanceguide.com/
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #175 on: January 08, 2020, 12:44:04 am »

I'm ready to start a new build because for sure Apple isn't getting any of my money for a Mac Pro.

Looks like a very clever decision. Regarding your proposed new build, I would be interested in what you think of the looks of the new Macpro. Have you seen the look-alike Dune Pro PC case, including the 'cheese grater' option  :o ?

Regards,
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #176 on: January 08, 2020, 07:40:50 am »

Very nice looking case with the ability to sound dampen.  I don't think that one will be available for some time so more than likely I'll stick with Fractal. 

Victor
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #177 on: January 08, 2020, 10:59:05 am »

I thought I would see how fast my 2 year old build (i7-8700K stock, 64gb Ram, Nvidia GTX 1070, Samsung 960 1TB) compared to Diglloyd speeds.  To my surprise I am as fast as his brand new Mac Pro in executing the processing of 190 4150 Raw Files to best quality Jpeg. 

I'm ready to start a new build because for sure Apple isn't getting any of my money for a Mac Pro. 

Cheers......

Victor

I recently did a new build, Hackintosh, Gigabyte Designare z390, I-9 9900K, 64gb DDR4, 2xSamsung 970 Evo Nmve, a few sata SSD's,  RX580 graphics card and a fenvi T919 wifi/bluetooth card. I have had it running on Mojave and now Catalina.  it is a well supported build on Tony Mac and it was basically a flawless OS install based on the Tony Mac build guide. Upgrade forn Mojave to Cataline was a standard upgrade with no hickups or re-installs.

Its my 4th Hack and this one is fast, stable and was a very easy install.
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #178 on: January 08, 2020, 12:49:06 pm »

I recently did a new build, Hackintosh, Gigabyte Designare z390, I-9 9900K, 64gb DDR4, 2xSamsung 970 Evo Nmve, a few sata SSD's,  RX580 graphics card and a fenvi T919 wifi/bluetooth card. I have had it running on Mojave and now Catalina.  it is a well supported build on Tony Mac and it was basically a flawless OS install based on the Tony Mac build guide. Upgrade forn Mojave to Cataline was a standard upgrade with no hickups or re-installs.

Its my 4th Hack and this one is fast, stable and was a very easy install.
Just looked at the specs... 5ghz processor speed, but only 16 PCI-e lanes... is that enough?
The GPU already uses 16 lanes  and then the samsung needs 4 lanes makes 20..
(I understand PCI-e-4.0 motherboards are not ready for osx yet?)

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #179 on: January 08, 2020, 01:54:21 pm »

Just looked at the specs... 5ghz processor speed, but only 16 PCI-e lanes... is that enough?
The GPU already uses 16 lanes  and then the samsung needs 4 lanes makes 20..
(I understand PCI-e-4.0 motherboards are not ready for osx yet?)

I'm not seeing any issues...
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