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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #140 on: November 06, 2019, 08:27:29 am »

Do you save your files without compression?
I do that and the write speed differs from 100-1500mb/sec. The disk speed itself is 2500...
Compression makes saving much slower.

Yes,

Always without compression. This is not always consistent, sometimes it's fast, most often very slow.

I am saving to a TB3 Raid 6 Promise unit that tests in excess of 700 MB/s using Blackmagic disk speed benchmark but a large tiff file can take more than one minute to save although it should take a few seconds max.

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Bernard

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #141 on: November 06, 2019, 08:39:03 am »

Yes,

Always without compression. This is not always consistent, sometimes it's fast, most often very slow.

I am saving to a TB3 Raid 6 Promise unit that tests in excess of 700 MB/s using Blackmagic disk speed benchmark but a large tiff file can take more than one minute to save although it should take a few seconds max.

Cheers,
Bernard

So there is something to be won using an m2 disk... I am thinking of getting a second and make a raid0. This second 2TB m2 will cost me 450€... (compare that with apples prices )
I also do not know why there are these upholds when saving. Maybe it has to do with writing layer/stop/after layer...

It is stupid Apple does not make a macpro 2012 style; - This new mac pro is a kind of MacProPro leaving a big hole in the lineup, where on windows this is filled with a machine costing under 4000 €.
Then you can have the top processors i9  12 core running at 4.5 GHZ and about the fastest GPU, + 2TB m2 memory + 64gig ram.
The box let you put 8 hardisks in + 3 or more m2 bars and 128gig of ram...and about 4-empty PCI slots for more...

I just timed 2 savings in PSB on the m2 ( samsung evo 970 2TB)  ( timing in photoshop)

1    5GB - flat document   4.9 sec = 1020mb/sec
2   3 layer document ( 2 layers + top curve)  19,8 GB  in 25,6 sec   =773mb/sec

so you get an idea.
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #142 on: November 06, 2019, 10:28:58 am »

Something is strange here. I save large Tiffs all the time to my NAS. A 3gb file takes 10-15seconds. Saving to my m2 is a lot faster. However, Adobe products are still kinda slow....


Yes,

Always without compression. This is not always consistent, sometimes it's fast, most often very slow.

I am saving to a TB3 Raid 6 Promise unit that tests in excess of 700 MB/s using Blackmagic disk speed benchmark but a large tiff file can take more than one minute to save although it should take a few seconds max.

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #143 on: November 08, 2019, 04:19:40 am »

I just realized that Apple is probably waiting because they realized they screwed up by choosing Intel CPUs which are now being kicked around by AMDs latest offering.  ;D

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #144 on: November 08, 2019, 05:04:00 am »

I just realized that Apple is probably waiting because they realized they screwed up by choosing Intel CPUs which are now being kicked around by AMDs latest offering.  ;D

You mean like this: https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/circuitbreaker/2019/11/7/20954044/microsoft-amd-qualcomm-intel-processors-arm-surface-laptop-3-pro-x-future-computers
Just happened to read this.

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #145 on: November 08, 2019, 01:23:03 pm »

IĎm not talking about laptops and mobile stuff. Iím not talking about people who have the time donít even know how to benchmark stuff.

Just look at some real benchmarks (for example puget system) you will see how amazing AMDs newest generation is and how intel is grasping for straws.
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #146 on: November 08, 2019, 03:58:25 pm »

I'm not keen on bombastic generalizations (aka fanboy statements), so my reply was more in tongue in cheek.

I'm aware of the newly rediscovered competitiveness of AMD, although it seems to be somewhat limited if adequate thermal management cannot be provided. I just looked through Puget's benchmarks, and while the newer Ryzen seem to enjoy a healthy advantage for LR, for Photoshop is more of a wash.

For Apple side of things, considering how well the current AMD supports Thunderbolt they might not even be an option.

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Re: New Mac Pro? ... December?
« Reply #147 on: November 13, 2019, 01:23:20 pm »

ars Technica report that Apple are now saying December for the Mac Pro launch

"Apple has been saying since its June developers' conference that it would ship the overhauled Mac Pro and the new Pro Display XDR this fall, and it has just announced a new window for those launches: this December. It says that the new MacBook Pro will be able to drive up to two Pro Display XDR monitors."

Last paragraph ....
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/11/apple-announces-16-inch-macbook-pro-with-new-keyboard-design/
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #148 on: November 13, 2019, 10:39:50 pm »

Not the Mac Pro, but today Apple released the new MacBook Pro, which looks to be a terrific all-around computer which allows up to 8TB SSD storage (for an earth-shattering fee). I will be budgeting for it early next fiscal year.
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #149 on: November 14, 2019, 05:46:14 am »

Not the Mac Pro, but today Apple released the new MacBook Pro, which looks to be a terrific all-around computer which allows up to 8TB SSD storage (for an earth-shattering fee). I will be budgeting for it early next fiscal year.
Seems like a great machine indeed. Not too expensive for a change.
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #150 on: December 08, 2019, 10:47:41 am »

Tuesday is order date. I am interested, just not sure I want the first one. Any thoughts?

https://www.macrumors.com/2019/12/07/apple-releasing-mac-pro-december-10/

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #151 on: December 08, 2019, 11:05:27 am »

Tuesday is order date. I am interested, just not sure I want the first one. Any thoughts?

https://www.macrumors.com/2019/12/07/apple-releasing-mac-pro-december-10/

 I'd love to have one of course but those prices!! And, if memory serves, a previous contributor to LULA had a great deal of trouble when he got his round version.
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #152 on: December 08, 2019, 09:59:52 pm »

Tuesday is order date. I am interested, just not sure I want the first one. Any thoughts?

https://www.macrumors.com/2019/12/07/apple-releasing-mac-pro-december-10/

Potentially interested, but my Macpro 2013 died last week and I had to have it repaired... that will probably delay my order of the new Pro one year or so.

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #153 on: December 10, 2019, 12:13:31 pm »

Finally here .... although a few of the options are not yet available
https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro/tower#

There's a rack option available as well
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #154 on: December 10, 2019, 01:54:36 pm »

I think they are completely crazy... my combination for next year would cost me 18.000EUR.... I honestly am not planing to spend more then 5-6.000 on it and still have something faster.
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #155 on: December 10, 2019, 03:39:30 pm »

I think they are completely crazy... my combination for next year would cost me 18.000EUR.... I honestly am not planing to spend more then 5-6.000 on it and still have something faster.

What you need to compare to though is Dell and HP workstations.

And unfortunately they are in a similar price range (and can go much much higher in price maxed out on 2 CPU/4 GPU highest end ones).

Iíll let someone with more free time perform an exact comparison.

But yes, a mid range config that is coherent goes to 20,000 US$.

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #156 on: December 10, 2019, 05:22:42 pm »

Partly you are correct. However, partly not, because itís super easy to built my own workstation for a windows platform, but not really on a Mac one.

For me saving over 10k is worth the day of work.
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #157 on: December 10, 2019, 05:28:27 pm »

I think they are completely crazy... my combination for next year would cost me 18.000EUR.... I honestly am not planing to spend more then 5-6.000 on it and still have something faster.
Well the processor 28 core already costs 3000+Ä   
AMD is making a 24 core for 1500Ä and is very fast...

The real thing for this mac pro are the special parts that are designed to work only with this macpro:
The double GPU pack and the afterburner; then we talk high end video based on RAW and Final Cut Pro; Video benefits well from so many cores.
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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #158 on: December 10, 2019, 05:35:04 pm »

What you need to compare to though is Dell and HP workstations.

And unfortunately they are in a similar price range (and can go much much higher in price maxed out on 2 CPU/4 GPU highest end ones).

Iíll let someone with more free time perform an exact comparison.

But yes, a mid range config that is coherent goes to 20,000 US$.


You can get sizable discounts from HP and Dell on workstations that list for $20K. Can you do that with Apple?

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Re: New Mac Pro?
« Reply #159 on: December 11, 2019, 02:41:27 am »

You can get sizable discounts from HP and Dell on workstations that list for $20K. Can you do that with Apple?

Can you get sizable discounts as an individual?

I believe that the answer is that you can get discount from Apple as a corporate user buying 10 machines.

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Bernard
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