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hogloff

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Re: Leica Q2
« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2019, 07:11:41 PM »

There is a Fuji X100F for you for 1/4 price, smaller size and with a hybrid viewfinder. Too bad it's not weather sealed, maybe next generation.

I have the original X100... Sits on my shelf with little use. I can take my A7r / A7R2 with both a 35 2.8 and 28 2.0 and it provides way more flexibility. Typically my travel kit is 25mm, 35mm and 85mm along with the A7R2 and at a price likely less than the Q2. Much more flexibility...and I bet no one can tell the difference in prints from the Leica and A7R2.
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Re: Leica Q2
« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2019, 01:12:29 PM »

Much more flexibility...and I bet no one can tell the difference in prints from the Leica and A7R2.
The Leica comes with a better menus tax.

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« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2019, 02:08:14 PM »

I have the original X100... Sits on my shelf with little use. I can take my A7r / A7R2 with both a 35 2.8 and 28 2.0 and it provides way more flexibility. Typically my travel kit is 25mm, 35mm and 85mm along with the A7R2 and at a price likely less than the Q2. Much more flexibility...and I bet no one can tell the difference in prints from the Leica and A7R2.

I was tempted several times to get a version of X100 but knowing my old X-E1 is almost the same size, particularly with a slightly longer 27 F2.8 (42 equiv), made it difficult to justify. Newer phones getting better doesn't help either. Still, the simplicity is tempting.
To make the case for Leica though I find it even more difficult because of options that offer most things that Leica offers on paper while being much cheaper.

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Re: Leica Q2
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2019, 07:06:03 AM »

iPhones have a camera lens that corresponds to the 26mm full frame lens. Discuss.
There is a trend—due to sensors with far more resolution than most “display intents” need—for single focal length cameras to go wider, relying a bit more on cropping options. The Q2 offers framelines for a 30MP  crop to “35mm equivalent FOV”, and a 1.5X crop emulates an 21MP APS-C sized sensor at “normal” FOV, like 42mm in 36x24mm format.

Not that this matters for me; I’d never pay even $1000 for a single focal length camera—even if it also made phone calls!
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Re: Leica Q2
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2019, 06:43:04 AM »

I'm awaiting the introduction of the SL2 with interest. Hopefully it'll have the Q2 sensor, will behave with my existing M lenses and offer the alternative of an EVF platform as an addition to my existing M rangefinders.
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Re: Leica Q2
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2019, 02:05:12 PM »

Would the Panasonic S1R meet your expectations for a SL2? Different user interface, but otherwise seems to do what you say...
There are rumors around that Panasonic may slap a Leica label on the high-end FF gear - which might come with Leica no longer developing the SL series?
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Re: Leica Q2
« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2019, 02:54:52 PM »

Would the Panasonic S1R meet your expectations for a SL2? Different user interface, but otherwise seems to do what you say...
There are rumors around that Panasonic may slap a Leica label on the high-end FF gear - which might come with Leica no longer developing the SL series?

They are different beasts. The S1R is too large and heavy for my needs and as far as I know is not optimised for M lenses.

I understand the SL2 is in development and doubt Leica would enter into the alliance only to cede the camera to Panasonic. Time will tell.
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Re: Leica Q2
« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2019, 03:58:28 PM »

There are rumors around that Panasonic may slap a Leica label on the high-end FF gear - which might come with Leica no longer developing the SL series?
I think the market would be small for a rebadged SR1. Leica is going to have to actually do something.

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Re: Leica Q2
« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2019, 04:46:42 PM »

I think the market would be small for a rebadged SR1. Leica is going to have to actually do something.


Well at the end the sl2 is a rebadged sr1.. different design, but the sensor will probably be exactly the same...


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Re: Leica Q2
« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2019, 04:54:11 PM »


Well at the end the sl2 is a rebadged sr1.. different design, but the sensor will probably be exactly the same...


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You must be the first to have seen the SL2 and have the specifications.
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Re: Leica Q2
« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2019, 05:24:06 PM »

Perhaps I have, but it doesn’t really matter. Leica will surely have a Second completely different sensor for the sl2... and why shouldn’t they?

It makes perfect sense to develop something on their own for one specific camera, especially because it means you can spend even more money on development instead of using something devolved my a partner company.


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Re: Leica Q2
« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2019, 06:21:48 PM »

Perhaps I have, but it doesn’t really matter. Leica will surely have a Second completely different sensor for the sl2... and why shouldn’t they?

It makes perfect sense to develop something on their own for one specific camera, especially because it means you can spend even more money on development instead of using something devolved my a partner company.


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Manufacturers use essentially the same sensor in very different cameras.
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Re: Leica Q2
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2019, 06:30:54 PM »

Manufacturers use essentially the same sensor in very different cameras.
Indeed: as surely as film SLRs using the same "sensors" (36x24mm frames of film) varied greatly in price and performance.
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Re: Leica Q2
« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2019, 09:27:42 PM »

Leica doesn't have the volume to get custom sensors (why they buy from TowerJazz(?) instead of Sony is a mystery to me).

Canon and Sony build sensors (technically, Sony Imaging buys them from the related Sony Semiconductor).

Nikon buys (usually) Sony sensors, but has enough volume to order at least semi-custom chips.

Fuji buys Sony sensors, sometimes with custom color filters (the X-Trans is a catalog model Sony sensor with a unique filter - not sure whether Sony or Fuji applies the filter). Fuji medium format sensors are catalog Sony chips with standard filtration.

Pentax, Phase One and Hasselblad  buy stock Sony sensors from the catalog.

Panasonic and Olympus buy Micro 4/3 sensors from somewhere (Sony? TowerJazz?). If the 20 MP Micro 4/3 sensor is a Sony, it's a couple of generations behind the current models - no BSI, no copper wiring, etc.

Panasonic and Leica buy TowerJazz (?, but the high resolution sensor is from not Sony) sensors for the L-mount

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Re: Leica Q2, and Leica and Panasonic sensor sources
« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2019, 10:50:21 PM »

Leica doesn't have the volume to get custom sensors (why they buy from TowerJazz(?) instead of Sony is a mystery to me).
I am not sure at that: the 45x30mm sensors for the "R" bodies (one CCD, then two CMOS models) are custom designs to a degree, but maybe based on a standard design for the individual photosites. And I have read that the same has been true for various sensors used in digital M models. What Leica lacks in volume it can sometimes make up for with its ability to pass the higher price of custom sensors onto its customers!

Also, does anyone know the status of Panasonic's plan of getting back into the sensor business?  It was producing and even selling its own "Live MOS" sensors for a while, then withdrew for that sector and then indicated that it was getting back into sensor making.
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