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rabanito

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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #60 on: February 12, 2019, 04:47:15 am »

Small connotation: I assume it was a human exploiting the monkey to start  a dispute about a topic only humans are silly enough to find important.

 ;D ;D ;D
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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #61 on: February 12, 2019, 04:51:49 am »

There is a clear difference between poetry and a visual art.

You cannot compare Cricket with Ice Hockey, all tough it is both sport.

And between sculpture and painting (substractive/additive)
You are right. I meant "Art" with capitals as compared w/"Craft"
And w/ atouch of humor ;)
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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #62 on: February 12, 2019, 04:56:13 am »

And between sculpture and painting (substractive/additive)
You are right. I meant "Art" with capitals as compared w/"Craft"
And w/ atouch of humor ;)

A certainly understood the latter.
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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #63 on: February 12, 2019, 07:40:25 am »

What has zoology to do with fine art?

What has photography got to do with fine art?

What we do do well is drift; I enjoy that, so thank you, LuLa.

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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #64 on: February 12, 2019, 08:04:12 am »

What has zoology to do with fine art?

:-)

He-he.
Zoology helped me in my road to "Fine Art"

Reading such stories some time ago I told myself:
"If a monkey can photograph, so can I!!"

And here I am  ;D ;D

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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #65 on: February 12, 2019, 08:27:16 am »


What has photography got to do with fine art?


:-)


Nothing, exactly my point.
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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #66 on: February 12, 2019, 08:30:34 am »

He-he.
Zoology helped me in my road to "Fine Art"

Reading such stories some time ago I told myself:
"If a monkey can photograph, so can I!!"

And here I am  ;D ;D

A monkey will always be a crippled photographer because he can not join the enlightenment of Lula.
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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #67 on: February 12, 2019, 08:52:05 am »

Reading such stories some time ago I told myself:
"If a monkey can photograph, so can I!!"

Please, please, please let us not conflate monkeys with chimpanzees.  Monkeys just make casual snapshots.  In the past, they carried around point-and-shoot cameras, but lately they just use their cellphones.  They love to take selfies, often at scenic locations that they never look at directly, just through their tiny electronic devices with their faces in the foreground.

Now before the howls of protest start, I acknowledge that some monkeys aspire to become serious craftsman.  At least that's what they claim.  But if you watch them closely, you will realize that the majority of the would-be craftsmen are really only gearheads.  They gravitate toward Sonys because they enjoy spending hours fiddling with the menus.

It's only among chimpanzees that you hear serious arguments about the distinction between art and craft.  And among the primates, they're the least interested in camera equipment; they're more sharply focussed, so to speak, on the end product.  They tend to make conservative camera choices: DSLRs, mostly full-frame, and they have a penchant for f/2.8 lenses.  They don't seem to worry much about the weight.  They're pretty strong and, unlike humans, you rarely hear them complaining about their aching backs.

There is recent evidence, however, that some of the more adventurous chimps are getting serious about mirrorless.  Jane Goodall recently observed a pair of them in a secluded forest shooting what appeared to be a DPReview video about a new mirrorless camera.  She was able to get close enough to see the device, but unfortunately the chimps had covered the manufacturer's logo with gaff tape so she couldn't identify what it was.  Guess we'll have to wait for the review to be posted on YouTube.

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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #68 on: February 12, 2019, 09:23:29 am »

... There is nothing so easily outdated as a photo on the wall...

Absolutely! One of your photographs on my wall would last... a nanosecond, perhaps?

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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #69 on: February 12, 2019, 09:24:42 am »

Absolutely! One of your photographs on my wall would last... a nanosecond, perhaps?

If you could afford it.....

Iím not selling cheap you know.
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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2019, 04:16:17 pm »

You two seem to overlook the context I said that: single line animals. Even more complex drawings and paintings by Picasso do not require great skills. They do require a concept, vision, idea, etc. Things that make contemporary art art.


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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2019, 03:37:31 am »

A monkey will always be a crippled photographer because he can not join the enlightenment of Lula.

Take a look at the avatars and reconsider that!

They have already breached the walls of the citadel along with the barbarians.

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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #72 on: February 14, 2019, 02:26:05 am »

Please, please, please let us not conflate monkeys with chimpanzees.  Monkeys just make casual snapshots.  In the past, they carried around point-and-shoot cameras, but lately they just use their cellphones.  They love to take selfies, often at scenic locations that they never look at directly, just through their tiny electronic devices with their faces in the foreground.

Now before the howls of protest start, I acknowledge that some monkeys aspire to become serious craftsman.  At least that's what they claim.  But if you watch them closely, you will realize that the majority of the would-be craftsmen are really only gearheads.  They gravitate toward Sonys because they enjoy spending hours fiddling with the menus.

It's only among chimpanzees that you hear serious arguments about the distinction between art and craft.  And among the primates, they're the least interested in camera equipment; they're more sharply focussed, so to speak, on the end product.  They tend to make conservative camera choices: DSLRs, mostly full-frame, and they have a penchant for f/2.8 lenses.  They don't seem to worry much about the weight.  They're pretty strong and, unlike humans, you rarely hear them complaining about their aching backs.

There is recent evidence, however, that some of the more adventurous chimps are getting serious about mirrorless.  Jane Goodall recently observed a pair of them in a secluded forest shooting what appeared to be a DPReview video about a new mirrorless camera.  She was able to get close enough to see the device, but unfortunately the chimps had covered the manufacturer's logo with gaff tape so she couldn't identify what it was.  Guess we'll have to wait for the review to be posted on YouTube.

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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2019, 01:13:54 am »

You two seem to overlook the context I said that: single line animals. Even more complex drawings and paintings by Picasso do not require great skills. They do require a concept, vision, idea, etc. Things that make contemporary art art.



Picasso was lucky to have sold that piece.
Today, any self-respecting curator or a competition judge would reject it because of missing leading line and central composition.

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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2019, 02:31:29 am »

"missing leading line and central composition. " quote Les

You clearly missed the artist statement en verso: "First wife in long sleeved sweater pointing in the direction from which wife number two arrived."
As by his own statement she is properly positioned off to the left casting her arm with flowing sleeve across the page and into some past and future. Quite modern in concept.
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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #75 on: February 18, 2019, 03:10:32 am »

Picasso was lucky to have sold that piece.
Today, any self-respecting curator or a competition judge would reject it because of missing leading line and central composition.

And here is the difference between craft work competition judgement / ballotage and Art curation.
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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #76 on: February 18, 2019, 06:16:46 am »

"missing leading line and central composition. " quote Les

You clearly missed the artist statement en verso: "First wife in long sleeved sweater pointing in the direction from which wife number two arrived."
As by his own statement she is properly positioned off to the left casting her arm with flowing sleeve across the page and into some past and future. Quite modern in concept.

Speaking of long sleeved sweaters:
    The wife said 'I need to go grab my cardigan'...
    And husband replied: 'what happened to getting it the first time?'.

You have to say it really fast.

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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #77 on: March 02, 2019, 05:17:27 pm »

...regarding the use of canvas on which to print photographs. Why? And what is so impressive about a photograph that looks like a painting and therefore should be framed as such?...

It goes both ways ;)

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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #78 on: March 02, 2019, 06:16:24 pm »

It goes both ways ;)
I wonder about the sign that says "yes, they are paintings."
Was the sign painted, or hand-lettered, or printed on a computer, or a photograph of another sign with the same message?
Obviously, the true Artistic Value depends on the answer to my question!    8)
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Re: I get insulted every day as a fine art photographer!
« Reply #79 on: March 17, 2019, 12:34:33 pm »

I show my photographs in a small regional co-operative gallery...  I decided to call my imagery; "untitled"   medium: "ink on paper"  not really a lie, but just meant to slow people down and look at the photo before moving on.  The amount of flack I got from other members because I was misleading the public was insane to me.  Yes I sell some of the images and the people who buy absolutely know they are photographs. 
just another way to deal with the photo art? world <grin>
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