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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #380 on: July 17, 2020, 07:32:20 am »

review on Lenstip.com about the new S 20mm 1.8 nikkor.
https://www.lenstip.com/index.php?test=obiektywu&test_ob=587

summary : very good lens, much better than the 24mm wide open.
problems: distortion, vignetting and bad coma.


PS
just saw again the review of the lens on Camera labs
https://www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-20mm-f1-8-s-review/2/

It is very interesting - they have different opinions on longitudinal aberration , coma... to name some.
don't know how to explain that; copy difference?   I do know it is difficult to test a lens.

PS2 https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-z-20mm-f1-8-s
They say coma is perfect: even for astrophotography wide open...
very favourable review. A much better lens than the 24mm 1.8s they all say.


Wide angle lenses especially may have particular behaviour. Coma can be different close to infinity par example.
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #381 on: July 18, 2020, 02:55:43 am »

Dust to Dust. Z7, 50 S.

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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #382 on: August 18, 2020, 09:44:38 am »

Just had the 24-70 F2.8S here for a weekend: very good lens- if you have a good copy; mine was a bit decentered from 24-35mm...
Still:  the Sigma 40mm f1.4 ART blows it out of the water at f1.4 and every other aperture...
There goes nothing above a decent fixed focal. So i would choose the very good 24-70mm F4 zoom for my light, quick and dirty needs.
The 85mm 1.8S is the best of the bunch i have used so far.

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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #383 on: August 18, 2020, 11:01:59 am »

I'd be interrested to know how this lens compares over the 70-200 range, with the existing F f4 lens and with some future Z f4 lens

This lens coupled with a Z6 should make a fantastic video combination.  Very little focus breathing and certainly sharp enough for 4K.  Not a whole lot bigger when retracted than the 24-70F4 kit lens.  Never having to change lenses is pretty tempting.
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Re: Z mount native lenses: 24-200mm
« Reply #384 on: August 18, 2020, 01:54:58 pm »

I lucked out a couple of weeks ago and found a 24-200mm on eBay from a US dealer purchasing it. Of course I found a second-hand copy five minutes later from another trusted seller for a hundred less, but oh, well. The prelim impressions I've read elsewhere seemed favorable so I figured that even if the lens was a dud for me, eBay would come to the rescue.

Though I have some stellar lenses to shoot with my Z 6, I need something for travel since I'm getting older and more lazy combined with ever restrictive baggage standards when flying opens up again. In addition, I'm a long-time user of all-in-one lenses, some were good, others better. a few not so good. On full-frame, it was the latter that seemed the rule. My few years shooting m43 cameras, the all-in-ones were quite good IMO and the image quality was quite good. The main complaint I had working with m43 were that low-light, the images were not quite there and processing the files took a lot of work.

Shooting Nikon digital for nearly 20 years, it was time to return to files that gushed quality now that they had both mirrorless, smaller bodies and work-horse lenses that fit my style and the ability to transition from my existing lens collection as the gaps are filled with Z replacements.

For my D800 bodies, my lens of choice is a 24-120. Not a highly-rated lens but with good craft, it covers most of my needs except ultra wide. I tried a 28-300 and though it was similar in range to a 14-150 on my m43, it was simply too large and heavy to lug around and try to shoot hand-held to me. Otherwise, it's not a bad lens for an all-in-one. A 14-150 on an m43 is a very hand-holdable lens for me though a tripod is the best way no matter what the lens.

I would have continued with the m43 and had my eyes on that Oly 12-100, but after a fall that destroyed one body (and blew out my knee) and having another body fail a few months  later with other m43 body failures along the way, combined with the realization that better tools were available, it was time to upgrade back to Nikon.

The size and weight of the 24-200mm seems about right for me and my style of work in the field which is akin to a run-and-gun approach. The speed of the lens is one little quibble. However, on the Z 6, it's still a useable range and reasonable compromise in keeping the size and weight quite reasonable.

I've only been out a couple times with the combo due to the pandemic. When I'm out, I shoot a second Z 6 with usually a 14-30 (less flare and weight than my 14-24) and now have what seems to me a perfect pairing for my next journey. The 24-200 will replace my 24-70 f/4 and 70-200 f/4 for walk-around and travel where size/weight/portability are a major factor.

Regarding image quality, this lens in quite competent. It covers a fairly useful range and with 24 mp on the Z 6, it's hard for me to find too many issues when the ink hits the paper. I've used it at each end and in the middle and images are totally fine. I've tried it wide open and stopping it down (with diffraction control enabled) and the images are fine, other than the usual sensor dust issues once the lens is stopped to f/11 or smaller.

Perhaps on a Z 7 any warts with the 24-200mm would be apparent, but on a Z 6, it's hard to find much wrong. Perhaps if I valued numbers and pixel peeping, I wouldn't like it but my criteria is more pragmatic than theoretical and analytical.

Here are a few images shot with it and a few of the details:

Pond grass-130mm f/13. Highway-200mm f/9.5. Cemetery-34mm f/8. Old store: 160mm f/6.7.

As my editor would state (this lens) meets the mark of adequacy and I might add, does a pretty good job for what it is. If this is a lens one desires, I can recommend that it's worth trying to find one and get it, but be patient!
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #385 on: August 18, 2020, 03:15:06 pm »

Thanks, Larry.  Getting a little more keen on this lens and body combo.
Trouble is, I'm gonna need a new computer to handle the video files. :(
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #386 on: August 26, 2020, 07:32:55 pm »

https://youtu.be/2Moy-5OqaZg

As expected, it appears that the two new teleconverters associated with the 70-200mm f2.8 S redefine the level of quality attainable with such combinations.

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #387 on: August 27, 2020, 05:29:11 am »

Just heard from my photo dealer (Wex, UK) that they have my 70-200 and they are shipping it soon.  Great news (if it's true!!)
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #388 on: August 27, 2020, 05:34:53 am »

Just heard from my photo dealer (Wex, UK) that they have my 70-200 and they are shipping it soon.  Great news (if it's true!!)

Congrats!

I just got mine and the x1.4.

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #389 on: August 29, 2020, 01:34:33 am »

I have the f-mount 70-200 that I used with my Nikon DSLRs, but when I put it on the Z6 with an adapter it was sort of a pain in the ass, a bazooka. All by itself, it was too much on the small body, for me, and the Z f2.8 version was pretty much the same size. Anyway, I started reading a lot of reviews about the 24-200 and they somewhat put me off. I also already had the 24-70 f4, and finally decided (after some thought) to go with the newer version of the Nikon f-mount 70-300 with the adapter. The lens is actually pretty light and compact, gets good reviews, and has a little more reach. I hope it'll work as a travel pack with the 24-70. (I would have preferred S-glass in a 70-200 f4, but, I think it could be years before we see that.)
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #390 on: August 29, 2020, 07:26:34 am »

Congrats!

I just got mine and the x1.4.

Cheers,
Bernard

Just arrived - oh boy - really impressive piece of engineering and manufacture.  Too soon for test shots but fantastic to hold and very fast focus.
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #391 on: August 29, 2020, 12:27:38 pm »

This thread and the connected experiences of others have convinced me (and those same others) to begin the selloff of nearly all our F mount gear.

Thanks for all the info, esp. Bernard.
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #392 on: August 29, 2020, 04:56:27 pm »

review on Lenstip.com about the new S 20mm 1.8 nikkor.
https://www.lenstip.com/index.php?test=obiektywu&test_ob=587

summary : very good lens, much better than the 24mm wide open.
problems: distortion, vignetting and bad coma.


PS
just saw again the review of the lens on Camera labs
https://www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-20mm-f1-8-s-review/2/

It is very interesting - they have different opinions on longitudinal aberration , coma... to name some.
don't know how to explain that; copy difference?   I do know it is difficult to test a lens.

PS2 https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-z-20mm-f1-8-s
They say coma is perfect: even for astrophotography wide open...
very favourable review. A much better lens than the 24mm 1.8s they all say.


Wide angle lenses especially may have particular behaviour. Coma can be different close to infinity par example.

Lenstip uses dcraw to demosaic, i.e, it does not apply built-in profile corrections like Adobe's software. This may explain the differences.
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #393 on: August 30, 2020, 07:40:12 pm »

This thread and the connected experiences of others have convinced me (and those same others) to begin the selloff of nearly all our F mount gear.

Thanks for all the info, esp. Bernard.

I think you wonít be disappointed by Z glass. The new 70-200mm f2.8 is a new benchmark. As a bonus it looks absolutely stunning.

Letís hope that Nikon does with the Z6s/Z7s what they have been doing better than anybody else in the DSLR world in the past 12 years, release a killing AF system.

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #394 on: September 11, 2020, 04:11:33 pm »

It looks like the 50mm f1.2 and 14-24mm f2.8 will be announced in a few days.

Cheers,
Bernard

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« Reply #395 on: September 16, 2020, 08:03:08 am »

The 14-24 2.8 is reasonable on the weight, one of my main concerns. I do wish it was easier to overlap ranges (as in 15-30, 15-35) but I guess it will do. Now we have to see real life reviews.

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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #396 on: September 16, 2020, 08:28:20 am »

The 50 1.2 S is way too heavy and bulky for my intended use. The upside is my wallet is happy.
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Re: Z mount native lenses
« Reply #397 on: September 16, 2020, 09:11:15 am »

The 50 1.2 S is way too heavy and bulky for my intended use. The upside is my wallet is happy.

Yes, it's a large lens. Not much heavier than the Canon RF 50mm f1.2, but significantly longer.

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Bernard

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« Reply #398 on: September 16, 2020, 09:12:22 am »

The 14-24 2.8 is reasonable on the weight, one of my main concerns. I do wish it was easier to overlap ranges (as in 15-30, 15-35) but I guess it will do. Now we have to see real life reviews.

The MTF at 14mm f2.8 looks like that of a 300mm f2.8... amazing.

Cheers,
Bernard

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« Reply #399 on: September 16, 2020, 11:15:46 pm »

The MTF at 14mm f2.8 looks like that of a 300mm f2.8... amazing.

Cheers,
Bernard

Iím most interested in vignetting wide open, and in corner to corner sharpness when stopped down.
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