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Ernst, John, et al, maximum sheet size Z3200ps 44" will take?
« on: December 12, 2018, 07:01:54 pm »

Hello Z3200ps users and Ernst Dinkla, John Dean, etc. 

A few Questions, please.

How long (what maximum length) will the 44" Z3200ps print?

Using PS driver?

Using Raster driver?

Using roll?

Using sheets?

If you can find or know official HP statements  I will appreciate seeing it.

Perhaps more importantly, if you have printed the maximum size from roll or sheet, knowing this would be extremely helpful.

Thanks -  Mark
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Re: Ernst, John, et al, maximum sheet size Z3200ps 44" will take?
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2018, 07:21:17 pm »

Mark,


Ernst can tell you, I can’t remember, but I learned early on on the z3100 to use QImage that has no limit. The pixel limit is within Photoshop.





Hello Z3200ps users and Ernst Dinkla, John Dean, etc. 

A few Questions, please.

How long (what maximum length) will the 44" Z3200ps print?

Using PS driver?

Using Raster driver?

Using roll?

Using sheets?

If you can find or know official HP statements  I will appreciate seeing it.

Perhaps more importantly, if you have printed the maximum size from roll or sheet, knowing this would be extremely helpful.

Thanks -  Mark
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Re: Ernst, John, et al, maximum sheet size Z3200ps 44" will take?
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2018, 07:35:28 pm »

Mark,


Ernst can tell you, I can’t remember, but I learned early on on the z3100 to use QImage that has no limit. The pixel limit is within Photoshop.

OK - cool - thanks John.
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Re: Ernst, John, et al, maximum sheet size Z3200ps 44" will take?
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2018, 04:24:26 am »

OK - cool - thanks John.

The oldest messages I wrote on that are here;
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=29080
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=18136
Then described for the Z3100 non PS model. The limit then was caused by the absence of the HPGL 2 part in the plain driver. I got that one later on if I recall it correctly. The PS models and PS driver have that part incorporated.

Since I have the Z3200-PS there have been 5.5 meter long images rolling off that machine, no need here for longer lengths so far. Windows 64 bit and Qimage Ultimate updated as well. You can load a sheet, make a loop of it with tape and have it printed with length indications over the diagonal of the image, little paper and ink lost that way. But remember that a true image with details and upsampled + print sharpening can have a huge printer data file which may meet other limits than the printer/driver length description. Qimage Ultimate deals with that by cutting the printer data in chunks and sensing it that way.

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Re: Ernst, John, et al, maximum sheet size Z3200ps 44" will take?
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2018, 04:01:26 pm »

Ernst and John,
Thanks guys.  I had read in the HP manual that: 32767 pixels divided by 300 pixels/inch = 109.22 inches, which is the max the printer can print ROLLS (at the time - pre-image).

However, the issue I am trying to determine is what length SHEET will the printer actually load.  I have loaded sheets for scanning and measuring that were printed via ROLL for later measurement and the printer wouldn't accept over a specific length (I failed to record it).

So I was wondering if either of you guys have loaded sheets of 108 inches in length.  Unusual request, I know.
I guess my best solution to the problem would be to start at 109" and try loading it and if the printer gives the error message that it's too long, I can begin cutting down the length in 6" increments until it loads it.

An ad for the Z3200ps 44" said it would accept 44" x 64" Sheets. 

"The printer is compatible with a wide range of media, including specialty media such as canvas, fabric, banner paper, backlit, film, coated paper, fine art paper and photo paper. In addition to supporting sheet sizes up to 44 x 66", you can also print on roll media up to 44" wide. The printer's software will even optimize your print layout when printing multiple files to minimize waste.."

Guess I'll just have to perform the experiment.

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Re: Ernst, John, et al, maximum sheet size Z3200ps 44" will take?
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2018, 04:08:17 pm »

I found this in HP's support literature, so it looks like 66 inches is maximum.

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Re: Ernst, John, et al, maximum sheet size Z3200ps 44" will take?
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2018, 06:58:07 pm »

Thanks Mark,

Not good for those of us doing 40x80 prints is it? :-).

I believe that’s why I bought QImage back in the day.





I found this in HP's support literature, so it looks like 66 inches is maximum.
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Re: Ernst, John, et al, maximum sheet size Z3200ps 44" will take?
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2018, 07:30:15 pm »

I found this in HP's support literature, so it looks like 66 inches is maximum.

i have printed at least about 3 meter long prints without Qimage...
( 3 m is about 118inch)
just photoshop and the Hpz3100

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Re: Ernst, John, et al, maximum sheet size Z3200ps 44" will take?
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2018, 07:11:12 am »

I found this in HP's support literature, so it looks like 66 inches is maximum.

You really intended a sheet I see....  Suggest to the printer it is a roll, load another smaller sheet at an angle, let the printer go through its routines of auto alignment for a roll up to the adjust at the blue lines, at that stage you load the long sheet that should have a precise 90 degrees edge and adjust it to the blue lines. Load through the roll insert slit. And tape about 20 cm extra paper at the rear of the sheet if you have to print up to the end of that sheet. You can also insert a thin sheet to keep the media insert switch down (from the rear the switch is at 13 cm, transport rolls at  19 cm so 16 cm deep is safe) when the end of the printed sheet passes the switch, no glue left on the back of the paper then. Have a core in the spindle that is as wide as the sheet is so the sheet gets another guide in transport, if flexible enough you could hang some loops of the sheet over it.

If the sheet has deckled edges and the printer media transport is set for that "no tilt check or something like that" the printer assumes a certain sheet length and does not measure the sheet length. Could be the size you quoted. If the roll option described above gets issues with the deckled edges then tape a straight extra piece of paper (length more than blue line to paper transport axle) at the leading edge too.

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Re: Ernst, John, et al, maximum sheet size Z3200ps 44" will take?
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2018, 12:27:00 pm »

You really intended a sheet I see....  Suggest to the printer it is a roll, load another smaller sheet at an angle, let the printer go through its routines of auto alignment for a roll up to the adjust at the blue lines, at that stage you load the long sheet that should have a precise 90 degrees edge and adjust it to the blue lines. Load through the roll insert slit. And tape about 20 cm extra paper at the rear of the sheet if you have to print up to the end of that sheet. You can also insert a thin sheet to keep the media insert switch down (from the rear the switch is at 13 cm, transport rolls at  19 cm so 16 cm deep is safe) when the end of the printed sheet passes the switch, no glue left on the back of the paper then. Have a core in the spindle that is as wide as the sheet is so the sheet gets another guide in transport, if flexible enough you could hang some loops of the sheet over it.

If the sheet has deckled edges and the printer media transport is set for that "no tilt check or something like that" the printer assumes a certain sheet length and does not measure the sheet length. Could be the size you quoted. If the roll option described above gets issues with the deckled edges then tape a straight extra piece of paper (length more than blue line to paper transport axle) at the leading edge too.

Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst

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Thanks very much, Ernst, John and Kers-

Printing is not the issue actually, it is about measuring a target that has been printed.  The Z mandates a loaded sheet with skew check in order to measure a print that has a target for later measurement.  So it's not about being able to fool the printer thinking that it is a roll.  I found the answer above, which is that the maximum size sheet one can load with skew check is 66 inches.  This is for the "Jumbo Profiles" so is out of the ordinary.

Thanks for your responses.  If you feel like trying this, try loading a sheet with skew check that's over 66" and you'll find it kicks out an error message.

The Z ONLY measures sheets that are loaded with skew check, even if first printed via roll, when waiting beyond the limit (such as a day or two).

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Re: Ernst, John, et al, maximum sheet size Z3200ps 44" will take?
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2018, 03:49:55 pm »

OK - that's where you're getting a sheet that size... Putting long, possibly rather narrow sheets through the spectro makes sense.  I was wondering where you had come up with a box of 40x80" or larger paper, and how you were storing such a thing? I had envisioned some really large sheets of handmade Japanese paper as one possibility.
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Re: Ernst, John, et al, maximum sheet size Z3200ps 44" will take?
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2018, 04:48:08 pm »

OK - that's where you're getting a sheet that size... Putting long, possibly rather narrow sheets through the spectro makes sense.  I was wondering where you had come up with a box of 40x80" or larger paper, and how you were storing such a thing? I had envisioned some really large sheets of handmade Japanese paper as one possibility.

Yeah, no I'm not using sheets that size for measuring printed targets as explained above.  Any 44 x 80 sheet can be printed using the technique Ernst outlined above, tricking the printer into thinking it's loading a roll.  Handling anything that big should require 4 people, preferably 6 cotton gloved individuals who know how to dance together, because that is huge and unwieldy.

As for storage, it would be easy enough to make a 4' x 8' box (drawer) using plywood for storage. Probably coating it with a non-acidic paint would be required.  I haven't thought about that too much. I guess it could be lined in thick archival paper.

The box itself could be a drawer under a big table somewhere.  Several could even be stacked as drawers if made correctly with heavy duty drawer slides, etc.

I had a plan to make one someday, but I haven't been forced into it yet.

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