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jeremyrh

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Who's first ?
« on: September 26, 2018, 06:46:28 am »

Shelf space prepared! Mail room alerted!! Who will be first to get their new toy ??
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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2018, 06:50:13 am »

Could you be more specific?

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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2018, 07:27:45 am »

It could be me... we will see. ;)

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2018, 09:08:27 am »

The countdown begins.  ;D
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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2018, 09:19:08 am »

And I was thinking it would be me!  My new toy will be the Z7.

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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2018, 03:55:58 pm »

It won't be me since the only new toy I'm interested in is the Zeiss 40/2 Batis in Sony FE mount, and Zeiss still hasn't even officially announced it.

Update: the Batis is official now. https://www.zeiss.com/camera-lenses/us/photography/products/batis-lenses/batis-240cf.html

-Dave-
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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2018, 05:00:47 pm »

Congratulations to the future beta testers! ;D

Buyers of the second generation bodies will thank you all in due time...

Spoken as as a buyer of a 1st gen Sony A7 body who should have waited for the 2nd gen. :D And no, this is no fanboy strategy to lower sales of Panacanikon bodies.

Cheers,

Fabien
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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2018, 06:30:56 pm »

Congratulations to the future beta testers! ;D

Buyers of the second generation bodies will thank you all in due time...

Spoken as as a buyer of a 1st gen Sony A7 body who should have waited for the 2nd gen. :D And no, this is no fanboy strategy to lower sales of Panacanikon bodies.

And I believe that I am not the only Nikon Z/Canon R buyer to feel thankful for the a7I/a7II series users for their contribution to the beta testing of mirrorless cameras as a whole. ;)

The Canikon wouldn't be at that level of perfection had you not helped Sony raise the bar. ;)

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2018, 07:26:11 pm »

I've got you all beat.
My first camera was a Zeiss Baby Ikonta folding camera that took size 127 film. No mirror anywhere on it!   ;D
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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2018, 07:46:22 pm »

I've got you all beat.
My first camera was a Zeiss Baby Ikonta folding camera that took size 127 film. No mirror anywhere on it!   ;D

+1! ;)

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2018, 10:27:36 pm »

And I believe that I am not the only Nikon Z/Canon R buyer to feel thankful for the a7I/a7II series users for their contribution to the beta testing of mirrorless cameras as a whole. ;)

Hey, us Micro Four Thirds users were beta testing mirrorless digital cameras while Sony R&D labs were still Alpha testing theirs!

And for the record, my first mirrorless camera was a Kodak Brownie. But it did have _two_ optical viewfinders.
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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2018, 09:13:47 am »

Got it...

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2018, 09:38:49 am »

Got it...

Cheers,
Bernard

Congratulations!

I, for one, will eagerly await your evaluation and comparison to your other kit.
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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2018, 11:00:23 am »

Congratulations!

I, for one, will eagerly await your evaluation and comparison to your other kit.

Same here.

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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2018, 11:12:21 am »

Got it...

Cheers,
Bernard

Congratulations :-). Beat me by a couple of hours!!
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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2018, 05:06:39 pm »

First impressions:
- remarkable EVF, feels significantly closer to an OVF than anything else I’ve seen/used (including the a7rIII)
- very good build quality. The body is D850 like. The lenses are light but they feel very well built too, I don’t see the cheap lens kit feel reported by some but these are obviously not Otus type metal builds
- AF-S is pretty fast and consistent in dark rooms but not D850 level as reported by others
- it tool me less than 2 mins to configure menus for basic D850 like operations last night without opening the manual. I’ll need now to configure

More to come.

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2018, 05:37:02 pm »

Are the lenses metal barrels, or are they some form of plastic/composite? I forgot to check this in my 5 minutes with one... Composite barrels are not necessarily a bad thing (what if they were carbon fiber, for example?)...
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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2018, 06:01:23 pm »

You won Bernard!  I get mine tomorrow.  What lenses did you get?

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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2018, 06:10:04 pm »

I think all of us to an extent, but YouTube talking heads more than most, conflate density with build quality. To me, well built means that something achieves its purpose as efficiently as possible and will continue to perform as long as possible without repair. I don't think anyone can decide how well built a camera is by picking it up at a camera show. Some have said the Z7 doesn't feel as well built (or well made) as other cameras. How can that possibly be determined.  Did the body flex under load? Did something fail to work? Did it need repair already?

What we all do associate with quality (perhaps subconsciously) is density. So while we pine for lighter kit, we often perceive less dense objects as less well made. For example, the Zeiss Loxia 35mm f/2 weighs about 340g. The Nikkor Z 35mm/f1.8 weighs 370g, but is almost exactly twice the volume (178 cm^3 vs 360 cm^3) so it is going to feel very different. But it appears it will significantly outperform the Loxia and has AF to boot. I wouldn't want the Nikkor Z to weigh 680g (Sigma would). But this lower density can only be achieved using different materials whose densities we are accustomed to associating with more failure prone objects. But these materials are often stronger and less prone to shock damage than traditional metal construction.

Only time will tell how well built the Nikkor Z system bodies and lenses are. But thankfully aircraft engineers, bicycle riders and glider pilots know that well built and dense aren't the same things.

Excited to hear more about Bernard's experiences with his new camera!

Glenn
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Re: Who's first ?
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2018, 07:45:05 pm »

It looks like my Z7 will be permanently set to AF-C, better accuracy and faster than AF-S on static subjects in my casual tests at home this morning.

Cheers,
Bernard
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