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The rise of CGI models - the end of fashion photography?
« on: September 17, 2018, 11:53:46 am »

With reportedly 75% of IKEA catalog being CGI (computer generated images), and with real estate photography following the suit, does it come as a real surprise that something no one saw coming, i.e., replacing humans in fashion photography, has actually already arrived?

"From Instagram to Balmain: The rise of CGI models"

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-45474286

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These three models are the faces of Balmain's new campaign.

They have the perfect angular cheekbones and ooze glamour most could never manage.

But Shudu, Margot and Zhi don't exist.



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Re: The rise of CGI models - the end of fashion photography?
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2018, 12:48:36 pm »

With reportedly 75% of IKEA catalog being CGI (computer generated images), and with real estate photography following the suit, does it come as a real surprise that something no one saw coming, i.e., replacing humans in fashion photography, has actually already arrived?

"From Instagram to Balmain: The rise of CGI models"

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-45474286



This is not what Rihanna had in mind with here lingerie défilé.
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Re: The rise of CGI models - the end of fashion photography?
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2018, 12:55:08 pm »

Well, I think that the creature on the left stole Helena Christensen's eyes.

As these are probably founded on real people, brings an entirely new dimension to repeat fees.

Photography ever more last century's flavour.

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Re: The rise of CGI models - the end of fashion photography?
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2018, 01:16:50 pm »

CGI has taken a lot of work over the years. Didn’t expect this fashion thing though. I don’t shoot fashion but do a lot of clothing catalogue work. On models of course.  Susupect this will impact me eventually.
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Re: The rise of CGI models - the end of fashion photography?
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2018, 01:21:21 pm »

Can’t wait to see them on a runway. Seriously though, considering that CGI creates central characters in movies, albeit in Sci-Fi only, CGI fashion models is not surprising. Interestingly, the article only suggests this to be problematic for models, but shouldn’t fashion photographers also be concerned?

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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2018, 06:25:04 am »

I don't know how the money works, but isn't CGI quite an expensive thing itself?

Catwalk will probably not be replaced because of the ego and money and mutual benefits that the industry brings those within it. You can't replace pills, champagne, sex and rock & roll with holograms or virtual flesh.

That said, if the economics work, then CGI could well replace people in the magazine world; the person buying the mags isn't privy to the perks of the business: he/she helps fund them.

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Re: The rise of CGI models - the end of fashion photography?
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2018, 09:34:07 am »

... You can't replace pills, champagne, sex and rock & roll with holograms or virtual flesh...

Hold my beer.

Pills are already outlawed, Champaign was, and sex will be, soon (already is, in the USA). Rock and roll... what’s that?
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Re: The rise of CGI models - the end of fashion photography?
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2018, 12:15:18 pm »

I don't know how the money works, but isn't CGI quite an expensive thing itself?

The calculations can be time-consuming, so they can be outsourced to rendering-farms with many servers working in parallel.

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Catwalk will probably not be replaced because of the ego and money and mutual benefits that the industry brings those within it. You can't replace pills, champagne, sex and rock & roll with holograms or virtual flesh.

The catwalk is for a specific audience (see and be seen) and for media coverage.

The current CGI opportunities are more for showing multiple designs/colors in a single pose (easy to switch on a web-page), even in 3D. Currently, it is still very difficult (not impossible but difficult) to do a realistic rendering of how fabrics follow the body shape during movement. But over time that will also become feasible due to even larger processing capacity.

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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2018, 04:21:13 pm »

Soon enough it'll be possible to create video/audio of anyone doing & saying anything. If you think the media world and its impact on the broader world is in a bonkers state now, just stick around a while longer…

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Re: The rise of CGI models - the end of fashion photography?
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2018, 08:07:40 pm »

These CGI models are too thin !
I am worried about there health ;)
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CGI models display fashion for robots: there willl be still some humans left.
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Re: The rise of CGI models - the end of fashion photography?
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2018, 04:37:44 am »

These CGI models are too thin !
I am worried about there health ;)
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CGI models display fashion for robots: there willl be still some humans left.


Yes, sleeping in cocoons, waiting to be melted down into lubricant.

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Re: The rise of CGI models - the end of fashion photography?
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2018, 07:52:20 am »

Yesterday, a friend of the house called to brag about being published as a mid aged model in a local fashion mag.
Imagine here horror when she saw how the editor tuned the picture to maximize the fabric expression and as a result over exaggerated here wrinkles making here 20 years older.

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Re: The rise of CGI models - the end of fashion photography?
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2018, 08:09:25 pm »

Yesterday, a friend of the house called to brag about being published as a mid aged model in a local fashion mag.
Imagine here horror when she saw how the editor tuned the picture to maximize the fabric expression and as a result over exaggerated here wrinkles making here 20 years older.
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In other words, the editor enhanced both the fabric texture and the make-up layer on her skin.
 
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Re: The rise of CGI models - the end of fashion photography?
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2018, 01:09:24 am »

Yesterday, a friend of the house called to brag about being published as a mid aged model in a local fashion mag.
Imagine here horror when she saw how the editor tuned the picture to maximize the fabric expression and as a result over exaggerated here wrinkles making here 20 years older.

....

Obviously poor retouching since it is hardly complicated to enhance the clothes while leaving the skin alone or even softening it independently of eyes, hair and clothes.
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Re: The rise of CGI models - the end of fashion photography?
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2018, 01:51:08 am »

Obviously poor retouching since it is hardly complicated to enhance the clothes while leaving the skin alone or even softening it independently of eyes, hair and clothes.

It is not complicated, but who cares, apart from the poor model.
Just as lingerie models are trimmed down above the hips to suit the purpose, in this case, I guess, it didn’t harm to emphasize the wrinkles (and the worst, also the aged hands and arms.)

And maybe price pressure doesn’t allow for more than a generic retouch.

We have upcoming elections and was called few week ago by the PR team of a party. They asked price for one particular picture out of a series about social homes in Antwerp. A shot made from a not evident angle, perfect moment of the day, perspective wise correct and reflecting the architects vision of social houses.
I had to reanimated the PR guy after I said my price. He didn’t want to pay more than 75€ VAT included. Belgian tax taken into consideration it would leave 25€ netto. His reference was stock photos and ‘gifts’ from befriended journalists.

I saw the actual folder and the used picture. I think it is a phone pic taken out of a car....  they got it for free.

That is where we stand with the business.

(It was the communist party, maybe that played as well)

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Re: The rise of CGI models - the end of fashion photography?
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2018, 04:36:15 am »

It is not complicated, but who cares, apart from the poor model.
Just as lingerie models are trimmed down above the hips to suit the purpose, in this case, I guess, it didn’t harm to emphasize the wrinkles (and the worst, also the aged hands and arms.)

And maybe price pressure doesn’t allow for more than a generic retouch.

We have upcoming elections and was called few week ago by the PR team of a party. They asked price for one particular picture out of a series about social homes in Antwerp. A shot made from a not evident angle, perfect moment of the day, perspective wise correct and reflecting the architects vision of social houses.
I had to reanimated the PR guy after I said my price. He didn’t want to pay more than 75€ VAT included. Belgian tax taken into consideration it would leave 25€ netto. His reference was stock photos and ‘gifts’ from befriended journalists.

I saw the actual folder and the used picture. I think it is a phone pic taken out of a car....  they got it for free.

That is where we stand with the business.

(It was the communist party, maybe that played as well)






For me, it's been a few years since I was over and out. Since then, digital and all that stuff has made it difficult for everyone - or not, depends - and it does seem that people want a lot more from a photographer for a lot less, which also seems a bad business model, to say the least. 

However, the expectation of low price is nothing new: clients, especially small people, have always been looking for something for nothing, if only because they have no idea how much money it takes to stay in business as a photographer. The next problem is that they have no idea how expensive it is to produce print.

When I was still producing bespoke company calendars there was the occasional person who wanted to know what it would cost to make perhaps fifty calendars. They didn't understand when I pointed out that you had to make perhaps three or four thousand of them to get the unit price down to be affordable as company gift, in the manner you might give a few people a bottle of scotch.

That's why the big printers used (?) to make a lot of money selling small batches of stock calendars to such tiny companies: they could offer a selection of pre-prepared stock illustration pages with space for a company overprint at very low cost. Nobody could originate at such prices. Matter of scale and spreading cost over many thousands of little firms.

A difference today could be that the current generation of art buyers has grown up in the era of cheap pictures and doesn't even know how photography was prized and priced even twenty-five years ago. As bad, I guess those young ones now doing the photography are also mostly unaware of what's been lost to them.

As for the supermodels - who even calls them that anymore?

Mainly, I think stills is over, making me happy I was in for a few of the best years.

Rob
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Re: The rise of CGI models - the end of fashion photography?
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2018, 10:13:17 am »

I will begin to worry when Project Runway moves to CGI models and contestants.  Until that point, this doesn't move the needle.  I don't think Heidi Klum wants to see herself rendered by CGI.
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Re: The rise of CGI models - the end of fashion photography?
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2018, 11:21:54 am »

I will begin to worry when Project Runway moves to CGI models and contestants.  Until that point, this doesn't move the needle.  I don't think Heidi Klum wants to see herself rendered by CGI.

At her age, which bits of original Heidi do we still see today? Is it all original? I have no idea. But she sure was something else in her prime! I also dug the Australian girl, Elle Macpherson, who married that French photographer Gilles Bensimon who almost single-handedly ran the art in Elle magazine. Nice match, that. Must have made those trips around Earth's paradises beautiful in the extreme: your very own, personal Botticellian moments on the best beaches in the world. It can't get better than that.

;-)
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