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Re: Brexit - shifting sands ?
« Reply #80 on: July 19, 2018, 09:05:58 am »

The company in question is ZTE and they deserved the punishment which was imposed by the Commerce Department.  ZTE were in massive violation of the Iran boycott and were using US sourced chips from Qualcomm to make their cell phones.  If you believe that harsh sanctions against certain countries is an appropriate foreign policy then this change of US policy against ZTE was just plain wrong.  In this case President Trump was unilaterally removing a company from the sanctions list.  The complete story is in The New York Times (apologies to those who cannot access the article because of the pay wall but you can do a Google search and get more on this).  I'm sure ZTE will now get back to business and include spyware in their phones.

I was initially surprised and disappointed by Trump's action as well.   But the company would have folded and lost 50,000+ Chinese jobs, a real problem for Xi.  So he asked Trump to help out.  Maybe Xi's been helping with the North Korea issue and Trump is paying him off.  Maybe Trump wants consideration in a trade deal with them.  Who knows?   A lot of things on this level are kept secret from the public.    The company which makes third tier cell phones for third world nations will be watch by our Commerce Department.  I hope so. 

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« Reply #81 on: July 19, 2018, 09:11:11 am »

I was initially surprised and disappointed by Trump's action as well.   But the company would have folded ...

Boys, I do appreciate your inputs and running commentary on President Trump and the current affairs of the USA, but I started this thread as a place for all to comment, should they so wish, on the unfolding 'drama' in the UK which seems certain to continue into the autumn months and beyond.  So. I'd respectfully suggest/request that any ongoing discussions regarding Trump, not directly related to the EU/UK, be posted in an appropriate thread. Makes it easier to read, comment and follow. And more interesting.

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If you could refrain from nuking Schewe's Trump II, or equivalent, daily log - it'd not only be appreciated but greatly faciltate staying /*on-topic.
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« Reply #82 on: July 19, 2018, 09:50:49 am »

Sorry Manoli.  Your topic did drift from time to time off of Brexit.  But Trump did say some powerful comments relating to it from time to time.  I'll try to stay focused.

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Re: Brexit - shifting sands ?
« Reply #83 on: July 19, 2018, 09:54:11 am »

Unfortunately, Manoli, Trump has become Carthage* of today.

* as in the Roman senator, Cato the Elder’s phrase "Carthago delenda est,” or “Carthage must be destroyed,” which he would use to end all his Senate speeches, no matter the subject.

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« Reply #84 on: July 19, 2018, 11:24:12 am »

Boys, I do appreciate your inputs and running commentary on President Trump and the current affairs of the USA, but I started this thread as a place for all to comment, should they so wish, on the unfolding 'drama' in the UK which seems certain to continue into the autumn months and beyond.  So. I'd respectfully suggest/request that any ongoing discussions regarding Trump, not directly related to the EU/UK, be posted in an appropriate thread. Makes it easier to read, comment and follow. And more interesting.
I still want to know how the Channel Tunnel will be managed post-Brexit.  Is this a part of the negotiations in terms of travel back and forth?  Will there be mandatory passport checks?
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« Reply #85 on: July 19, 2018, 11:27:41 am »

Thank you, both all.  I really do enjoy reading your posts (Some, Slobodan, not all) [/levity] and hope the Mods take note and refrain from nuking a future Trump thread. Also hope that everyone feels free to comment and contribute here.
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« Reply #86 on: July 19, 2018, 11:28:31 am »

Passport checks?
Heck everywhere I go, everyone wants to check my passport at street crossings!

Sorry folks..carry on, please.



I still want to know how the Channel Tunnel will be managed post-Brexit.  Is this a part of the negotiations in terms of travel back and forth?  Will there be mandatory passport checks?
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« Reply #87 on: July 19, 2018, 11:50:00 am »

Passport checks?
Heck everywhere I go, everyone wants to check my passport at street crossings!

Sorry folks..carry on, please.




Come to America.  We don't have the Chunnel.  But we do have the Brooklyn Bridge.  No one will check your passport once you get in. In NYC, no one has papers.   Trump will personally stamp your visa.  Well, are you from Qatar?  If so, you're good to go.  Welcome.

Also, if you come through our southern border, you probably can get in without documentation.  Papers there are beside the point.  :)

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« Reply #88 on: July 19, 2018, 11:51:33 am »

I still want to know how the Channel Tunnel will be managed post-Brexit.  Is this a part of the negotiations in terms of travel back and forth?  Will there be mandatory passport checks?

Alan, question of free movement aka control of borders, isn't even close to being decided. Whatever you read in the papers today, is subject to a 'penultimate' round in the Autumn when discussions with the EU re-open.

With Parliament so divided, and the Government narrowly avoiding a devastating defeat (6 votes mainly due to a bit of Tory skullduggery and a handful of Labour MP's) all is set to rival House of Cards, minus Kevin Spacey, though even there a Minister has resigned over more than 2,000 'depraved' sex texts to a barmaid and her friend.

Like Trump, if it weren't so serious it might actually be amusing ...
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« Reply #89 on: July 19, 2018, 11:56:13 am »

Alan, question of free movement aka control of borders, isn't even close to being decided. Whatever you read in the papers today, is subject to a 'penultimate' round in the Autumn when discussions with the EU re-open.

With Parliament so divided, and the Government narrowly avoiding a devastating defeat (6 votes mainly due to a bit of Tory skullduggery and a handful of Labour MP's) all is set to rival House of Cards, minus Kevin Spacey, though even there a Minister has resigned over more than 2,000 'depraved' sex texts to a barmaid and her friend.

Like Trump, if it weren't so serious it might actually be amusing ...

Sex scandals in Britain are old hat.  I'm surprised he resigned. 

Curious.  What is happening with trade between Britain and the EU afterwards?  Tariffs?  Etc?  Will Britain be able to make a unique deal with America?

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Re: Brexit - shifting sands ?
« Reply #90 on: July 19, 2018, 12:22:05 pm »

Linking Brexit and photography:

Question: looks photoshopped to me. Any Brits here with the original photo?

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« Reply #91 on: July 19, 2018, 12:24:45 pm »

Curious.  What is happening with trade between Britain and the EU afterwards?

Billion dollar question.
They either agree what is referred to as Norway+, or they go to WTO rules.

Will Britain be able to make a unique deal with America?

Following on from #35, no reason why not. What the terms will be and to whose benefit, I'll leave to you to guess.

Economically, there will be no immediate benefit to leaving the EU. The contrary, more deficit, increase in prices ( the falling pound is already well on it's way) etc.. The trade-off is regaining control of UK borders and what the Brexiteers believe is sovereignity of parliament.


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Sex scandals in Britain are old hat.  I'm surprised he resigned. 

This one is different it involved a girl ...
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Re: Brexit - shifting sands ?
« Reply #92 on: July 19, 2018, 12:27:55 pm »

... This one is different it involved a girl ...

Oh, no, horrible!  ;D

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« Reply #93 on: July 19, 2018, 12:31:02 pm »

Linking Brexit and photography:
Question: looks photoshopped to me. Any Brits here with the original photo?

Slobodan ,
looks genuine - AP / Daily Mail
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/13/09/4E2C4B5500000578-5949835-image-a-48_1531471390516.jpg

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« Reply #94 on: July 19, 2018, 12:34:23 pm »

What a miserable lot. At least our clowns dance, sing and laugh.
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« Reply #95 on: July 19, 2018, 12:53:44 pm »


Economically, there will be no immediate benefit to leaving the EU. The contrary, more deficit, increase in prices ( the falling pound is already well on it's way) etc.. The trade-off is regaining control of UK borders and what the Brexiteers believe is sovereignity of parliament.
A good American friend of ours who has a German passport because of a WW 2 settlement with German Jews who fled the country during the 1930s works in the financial services industry in London.  Most of the banks she is familiar with have already made contingency plans and some have already started transferring employees.  The European Drug Regulatory administration which is head quartered at Canary Wharf will be relocating to an EU country and this will mean the loss of a number of high paying jobs.  If May were gutsy she would renounce the referendum and stay in the EU.
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Re: Brexit - shifting sands ?
« Reply #96 on: July 19, 2018, 12:53:45 pm »

Slobodan ,
looks genuine...

Not really. Close, but still photoshopped. For all, but Trump (he apparently can do it naturally ;) )

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« Reply #97 on: July 19, 2018, 03:23:42 pm »

...
This one is different it involved a girl ...


Oh yeah.  A girl.  No wonder he resigned.  It must of shocked Brits.  What's England coming too?

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« Reply #98 on: July 19, 2018, 03:31:16 pm »

A good American friend of ours who has a German passport because of a WW 2 settlement with German Jews who fled the country during the 1930s works in the financial services industry in London.  Most of the banks she is familiar with have already made contingency plans and some have already started transferring employees.  The European Drug Regulatory administration which is head quartered at Canary Wharf will be relocating to an EU country and this will mean the loss of a number of high paying jobs.  If May were gutsy she would renounce the referendum and stay in the EU.

There's more to life than just money.  Brits are patriotic.  They don't want their country run by the EU gnomes in Brussels anymore than we would. In any case, the same people predicted the US economy would collapse if Trump won.   Just the opposite happened.

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« Reply #99 on: July 19, 2018, 04:08:15 pm »

I still want to know how the Channel Tunnel will be managed post-Brexit.  Is this a part of the negotiations in terms of travel back and forth?  Will there be mandatory passport checks?
Alan, there have always been obligatory passport checks traveling to the UK via Chunnel or ferry.  I suppose they never signed the Schengen agreement (same with Ireland and Cyprus).

I'm interested in how the Irish boarder will be handled - could turn into an economic disaster!
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