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tintoreto

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40 Megapixel...
« on: May 04, 2018, 07:24:32 PM »

40MP is normaly the equipment with higher end cameras. But now there is another way to have 40mp in RAW... I have used the lastest Smart PHONE... take a look at:

https://spark.adobe.com/page/26B3fGEBSXFBj/

If you like to have the PSD of one of them let me know...

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Re: 40 Megapixel...
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2018, 06:13:54 AM »

40MP is normaly the equipment with higher end cameras. But now there is another way to have 40mp in RAW... I have used the lastest Smart PHONE... take a look at:

https://spark.adobe.com/page/26B3fGEBSXFBj/

If you like to have the PSD of one of them let me know...

Huawei P20 Pro?

I think this is going to be the standard for 2019

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Re: 40 Megapixel...
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2018, 03:21:45 PM »

Hi,

I don't know what 1MP JPEG images say about 40 MP of image information, sorry.

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Erik


40MP is normaly the equipment with higher end cameras. But now there is another way to have 40mp in RAW... I have used the lastest Smart PHONE... take a look at:

https://spark.adobe.com/page/26B3fGEBSXFBj/

If you like to have the PSD of one of them let me know...
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Re: 40 Megapixel...
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2018, 02:59:36 PM »

Huawei P20 Pro?

I think this is going to be the standard for 2019

Edmund


Yes Huawei P20 Pro...
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Re: 40 Megapixel...
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2018, 03:07:42 PM »

Hi,

I don't know what 1MP JPEG images say about 40 MP of image information, sorry.

Best regards
Erik

You can download an original RAW file from the images here:

https://workupload.com/file/WYt9d38

the rest is photoshop...
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Re: 40 Megapixel...
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2018, 09:41:56 AM »

Thanks for providing the raw. After looking at the raw in Capture One and Photoshop ACR...

Pretty good raw for a 40mp phone.

Terrible raw when compared to ~40mp small-format SLRs.

Not worth comparing to medium format.

I'm a big believer in technology and man kinds ability to overcome pesky problems (e.g. the physics of super small pixel wells as we understand them today). One day camera phones (or whatever replaces camera phones) will produce raw files that compete with the best medium-format camera of today. But that day is still many years away.

Until then we will continue to see some phone companies produce "high resolution" models to get headlines and to sell to users who assume more pixels means a better camera. Personally, I'm very glad Apple is not doing that and is focused on producing the best overall camera in their phone rather than the one with the highest number of pixels.
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Re: 40 Megapixel...
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2018, 10:21:49 AM »

From an amateur photographer's point of view, I don't care how many pixels are squeezed into a phone, the ergonomics still stink.

From a medical point of view, existing phones are quite good at capturing images through conventional microscopes, and some ingenious people have crafted inexpensive microscope-level magnification optics that slip onto a phone and allow inspection of blood smears. Combined with portable solar collectors, these low-voltage phones ought to be useful for field medics in remote developing world locations (eg. spot and speciate malaria organisms within red cells, ID ova and parasites in stool smears, etc). Solar panels, phones, and drones (specimen and drug transport to/from hospital centers) have the capacity to assist bush medics.
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Re: 40 Megapixel...
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2018, 11:27:36 AM »

Kind of interesting yet relatively pointless. I guess it would probably be handy for the "digital zoom" feature on phones but 40 MP images taken through a cheap lens and tiny sensor doesn't seem like anything I would ever want.
If I have to deal with those large files, I want nice optics and big sensors to make it worthwhile.
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2018, 12:57:46 PM »

Kind of interesting yet relatively pointless. I guess it would probably be handy for the "digital zoom" feature on phones but 40 MP images taken through a cheap lens and tiny sensor doesn't seem like anything I would ever want.
If I have to deal with those large files, I want nice optics and big sensors to make it worthwhile.

Unfortunately this phone compares quite well in image quality with a cutting edge dSLR - the 5Ds - in good light.

I suspect that with a decent lighting setup the phone might also work well for some types of product and catalog photography, and possibly school or group photographs where the reduced depth of field of medium format is a hindrance rather than an advantage.

https://petapixel.com/2018/04/20/huawei-p20-pro-vs-canon-5ds-r-im-stunned/

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Re: 40 Megapixel...
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2018, 01:16:35 PM »

Unfortunately this phone compares quite well in image quality with a cutting edge dSLR - the 5Ds - in good light.


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Re: 40 Megapixel...
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2018, 01:24:40 PM »

Kind of interesting yet relatively pointless. I guess it would probably be handy for the "digital zoom" feature on phones but 40 MP images taken through a cheap lens and tiny sensor doesn't seem like anything I would ever want.
If I have to deal with those large files, I want nice optics and big sensors to make it worthwhile.

Matte, making blanket statements like this are really pointless. You are making many invalid assumptions. Until you actually compare picture quality either through pixel peeping, or prints, save the comments to yourself.

In the field of computational photography, all the R&D is taking place for phone type cameras. Incredible gaines have taken place in the last few years. I personally have compared the files from a 3-year-old 20 MP phone  (MotoX Pure) with my Nikon D800E, and the results are quite sobering! Under good lighting conditions, it would be hard to tell large 30" prints apart from an IQ perspective.
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Re: 40 Megapixel...
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2018, 02:26:15 PM »

Like the Google Pixel in its day, the Huawei phone seems to be a generational jump, rather than a simple incremental update.

I don't know what Apple are going to do for their flagships next year, but I suspect they too will shoehorn 3 lenses or a real optical zoom into their hardware - or accept to be called also-rans.

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Re: 40 Megapixel...
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2018, 02:43:43 PM »

There is no such thing as a perfect camera! We all have our personal preferences for the way we photograph. Ultimately it  boils down to what we had with us when we made the picture. The convenience of phones is unmistakable. Digital photography has so quickly surpassed what Eastman Kodak was trying to perfect for over a hundred years. The new age of photography is truly remarkable!
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Re: 40 Megapixel...
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2018, 03:43:36 PM »

Matte, making blanket statements like this are really pointless. You are making many invalid assumptions. Until you actually compare picture quality either through pixel peeping, or prints, save the comments to yourself.

In the field of computational photography, all the R&D is taking place for phone type cameras. Incredible gaines have taken place in the last few years. I personally have compared the files from a 3-year-old 20 MP phone  (MotoX Pure) with my Nikon D800E, and the results are quite sobering! Under good lighting conditions, it would be hard to tell large 30" prints apart from an IQ perspective.

I look forward to your peeping and printing insights then.
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Re: 40 Megapixel...
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2018, 03:53:54 PM »

I don't know what Apple are going to do for their flagships next year, but I suspect they too will shoehorn 3 lenses or a real optical zoom into their hardware - or accept to be called also-rans.

I would expect Apple to be more disruptive than that. More megapixels or a zoom lens are so out of touch with the modern world. The next big thing is computational photography and it is already present in the iPhone X selfie camera.
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Re: 40 Megapixel...
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2018, 05:10:19 PM »

How easy to lose sight of what photography actually is.

Or medium format, for that matter.

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Re: 40 Megapixel...
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2018, 06:05:05 PM »

incorrigible this forum is! or simply a passtime?

Remember the pixel race regarding big gear? There was a momentum when, finaly, more and more voices spoke out against this obsessive number's leeway.
I thought it was gone forever; that MF, DSLR and mirrorlesses combined reached enough MPx to keep the crowd heavily busy on higher interests such as monitor calibration and picture profiles.

Nope...the race had just been transfered to cell phone.
Well, to be completly fair it restarted in motion picture a few years ago...and won't stop until everything reaches 8k.

The golden years of legendary Lu-La wars MF vs DSRL, irremediably ending with a Michael "topic closed" to stop the rampage after several and unsuccessful attempts of temperance...I miss that buzz. Lu-La has been a bit too quiet and grey since then and Doug hasn't been shaken so he sank in a dangerous comfort zone.

But I'm happy to see that "the big circus" (given nickname to the F1 races) will now be, ladys and gentlemen, Cell phones vs MF. Prepare weapons.
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Re: 40 Megapixel...
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2018, 06:55:20 AM »

How easy to lose sight of what photography actually is.

Or medium format, for that matter.

Rob

Rob,

 This is the beginning of small-sensor computational photography, not the end.

 And in fact stand-alone non-connected cameras seem to be going the way of film, with 99% of the world's pictures now being made on phones.

 Maybe you never used dSLRS? There were a few small ones, and then some experiments and special models based on Kodak backs, and then there was the Nikon D1 and the Canon 1D and then the spectacular 1Ds which by using a fullframe sensor made a camera which is basically still current. Tethered Phase backs stuck on the back of a mechanical Hassy made superb pictures even back then, but it was those first Nikons and Canons which anybody with a laptop could use that changed the photography world.

 In this sense, it looks like the phones are now the first mass-produced items of a new type of multiple-sensor high-compute photo tech, which can eg. overlay images for more rez and DR, assemble 3D models from motion capture, and compute depth maps and extract subjects from the background.

 The phones show us how we will be able to do 3D photoshop retouching -change a nose shape here, a foot position there, all the way to dropping a different model into a background, or even putting a computed model into that background - exactly like car photographers are doing today, in a very specialised way. But they will also soon be able to  load the model of the person up on the net - or retrieve it on the fly.

 Rob, the phones are THE MOST ADVANCED COMPUTERS a normal person can buy, and the camera modules are the most expensive single item on the phone bill-of-materials because THE PHONE IS THE CAMERA WHICH ALL THE KIDS USE. 

 The electronics revolution brought us the Autofocus motor-driven auto-exposure film SLR, then the  PC revolution brought us electronic imaging, but that was just the first chapter of the camera's evolution. The current chapter is being written by phone tech.

 The phones aren't "comparable" to dSLRs, they have decisively moved ahead of them, in the same way a Nikon D1 had moved resolutely beyond the F4. Image quality is not yet there but the all-round capabilities are becoming much greater.

 I was in the park yesterday with my kid. Next to me on the bench a pretty and heavily made-up au pair in a dress spent twenty minutes tossing her hair, and capturing her face with her phone. She didn't need a photographer, nor even a camera. If I were snarky I'd say that all she really needed in life was herself. Selfies have become a major obsession, and it's all due to the phone.
 
Edmund
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Re: 40 Megapixel...
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2018, 09:55:58 AM »



 I was in the park yesterday with my kid. Next to me on the bench a pretty and heavily made-up au pair in a dress spent twenty minutes tossing her hair, and capturing her face with her phone. She didn't need a photographer, nor even a camera. If I were snarky I'd say that all she really needed in life was herself. Selfies have become a major obsession, and it's all due to the phone.
 
Edmund

And so is plastic surgery, or at least the feeling that you need it, so you'll look good in that selfie taken with a much wider lens then any good professional would know not to use when capturing portraits. 

Saw a couple of articles recently siting that plastic surgeons are needing to explain to people that the way they look in selfies is not how they really look, due to the wide angle lenses in cell phones. 
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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2018, 10:53:36 AM »

And so is plastic surgery, or at least the feeling that you need it, so you'll look good in that selfie taken with a much wider lens then any good professional would know not to use when capturing portraits. 

Saw a couple of articles recently siting that plastic surgeons are needing to explain to people that the way they look in selfies is not how they really look, due to the wide angle lenses in cell phones.

I don't think anyone above the age of 20 can understand this new general obsession about appearance in *images* except maybe actors.

I was in a phone shop, looking at their first sample of iPhone X. So I took a picture of the hovering saleswoman with the chained phone, and she asked me to delete it. I said "you do it", handed her the phone and asked her to take a picture of me. She took the picture, looked at it, made a grimace of disgust, and told me ironically "a real advertisement". What can I say, it was a true feeling, she didn't think *I* was exceptionally ugly, she just thought my *picture* was unacceptably ugly, unacceptable to the point that it was necessary to make this known to me lest I commit the social sin of sending out pictures of my face.

I'm sure FredJean will give us a briefing on semiotics of face retouching in the internet age.

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