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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #620 on: June 14, 2018, 07:31:27 PM »

This is fun after all!  :o
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« Reply #621 on: June 14, 2018, 07:57:49 PM »

... That tactic which is dishonest shows the lengths some here have to go to pass their agenda/opinions...

Finally we agree on something  ;)

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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #622 on: June 14, 2018, 08:02:50 PM »

Finally we agree on something  ;)
Then if you stop doing it, I'll stop too (once for me, to make a point is enough).
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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #623 on: June 14, 2018, 08:32:09 PM »

... Please provide a video or transcript as I did from a video, that states what your illustration implies Gore said.

Here you go (41s mark): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFmqtkeQy9c

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"The entire North polar ice cap may well be completely gone in 5 years."

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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #624 on: June 14, 2018, 08:38:10 PM »

Here you go (41s mark): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFmqtkeQy9c

Transcript:"The entire North polar ice cap may well be completely gone in 5 years."
Nice try, that still doesn't jive with what you created (did you?) but certainly posted:
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« Reply #625 on: June 14, 2018, 08:38:25 PM »

Of course it is not verbatim the same, why would it be? It is a summary, a headline. The essence is still the same, however.

Hi Slobodan,

No, the essence still remains wrong, especially troubling coming from someone who occasionally tries to accuse others of Ad Hominem attacks. Not that Al Gore needs defending and, for the record, I do not agree with everything he says either.

But allow me to add just a friendly piece of advice;
When in hole stop digging.

Anyway, this exchange still has its value, IMHO, because it also (who'd have thunk it) demonstrates just another manifestation of another thread's topic (thanks to Alan K.):
"Does a photo lie or its caption?"
http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=125304.0

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As any summary or any news headline, it is supposed to summarize the essence of a more detailed event or statement.

Which it doesn't.

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But let's, for the sake of argument, use the whole quote:

So, let's see:

DID...

Irrelevant, partly because hindsight has 20/20 vision (in fact it's a very cheap, and transparent, trick of an attempt to undermine someone's credibility). What's more, he apparently rephrased his recollection of someone else's remarks. As you yourself admitted, that's unlikely to be as accurate as a verbatim transcription.

Was he accurate? I don't know. You only supplied a suggestion that he was not, but an accurate kind of 'proof' was, as usual, missing. Innuendo only goes so far (as to discredit the one uttering it), but maybe (hopefully) you can still offer something more substantial (I know, I know, I''m an optimist).

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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #626 on: June 14, 2018, 08:53:18 PM »

I finally have to admit, regrettably, that Bill was right: no point of playing chess with pigeons.

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« Reply #627 on: June 14, 2018, 08:57:20 PM »

I finally have to admit, regrettably, that Bill was right: no point of playing chess with pigeons.

Bill was generous! :(

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« Reply #628 on: June 14, 2018, 09:02:53 PM »

I finally have to admit, regrettably, that Bill was right: no point of playing chess with pigeons.

I was right, Bill was playing with pigeons regrettably: no point.
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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #629 on: June 14, 2018, 09:19:49 PM »

I don't think even his worst enemies would accuse him of "promoting" global warming or climate change. Isn't he against both?

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No.  My use of the word "promoting" in the sentence is correct.  Until Gore came along practically no one heard of global warming.  The definition of promote also has the following meaning:

b : to help bring (something, such as an enterprise) into being : launch
c : to present (merchandise) for buyer acceptance through advertising, publicity, or discounting. [\i]

Certainly a lot of people bought the promotion and swallowed the bait.  And he got rich in the process. 

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« Reply #630 on: June 14, 2018, 10:27:21 PM »

No.  My use of the word "promoting" in the sentence is correct. Until Gore came along practically no one heard of global warming.

In some circles only.
There were other activitists before but not necessarily on board of Apple. One example is David Suzuki who created Suzuki Foundation in 1990 "to find ways for society to live in balance with the natural world that does sustain us". The Foundation's priorities are: oceans and sustainable fishing, climate change and clean energy, sustainability, and Suzuki's Nature Challenge. The Foundation also works on ways to help protect the oceans from large oil spills such as the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. Suzuki has also served as a director of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association from 1982 to 1987.

Another interesting example is Katharine Hayhoe, the daughter of missionaries, who is also an evangelical Christian.

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Though the science supporting climate change grows ever more compelling, fewer Americans now accept the scientific consensus than they did three years ago. Fewer groups are more resistant than political conservatives, especially white evangelical Christians, who often say that climate change is a hoax. Besides teaching at Texas Tech in Lubbock, conducting research and writing, Hayhoe meets with Christian colleges, church groups, senior citizens, professional associations and just about anyone else to explain that Earth's climate is changing and that human beings are behind it.

Like any climatologist, she is armed with data. Yet Hayhoe also speaks of climate change in a language to which conservative Christians can relate, about protecting God's creation and loving one's neighbors. Hayhoe is a climate change evangelist in the West Texas Bible Belt, compelled by her faith to protect the least among us by sharing what she knows, even if it's science that many around her reject.

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/partner-news/katharine-hayhoe-a-climate-change-evangelist

BTW, why are the climate evangelists attacked, while the Adobe Photoshop evangelists are celebrated?

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« Reply #631 on: June 14, 2018, 10:59:08 PM »

Suzuki and Hayhoe didn't win the Nobel prize.  Gore did:

The Nobel Peace Prize 2007 was awarded jointly to Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and Albert Arnold (Al) Gore Jr. "for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change"

Before Gore, few people knew or cared about climate change.     He promoted it. 

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« Reply #632 on: June 14, 2018, 11:25:39 PM »

Do you think, he can beat Trump in 2020 ?

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« Reply #633 on: June 15, 2018, 12:03:38 AM »

Do you think, he can beat Trump in 2020 ?

Les, we have a different thread for a question like that, “A Touch of Humor” 😀

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« Reply #634 on: June 15, 2018, 01:59:14 AM »

If the current situation wasn't so sad, it would be indeed funny.
 
From my observation post, Al Gore seems well positioned for a POTUS position. He knows politics, modern industries, and understands climate/pollution matters. And he is not friends with Clintons.
On the other hand, Trump has a bigger airplane.

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« Reply #635 on: June 15, 2018, 08:23:55 AM »

... Al Gore seems well positioned for a POTUS position. He knows politics, modern industries, and understands climate/pollution matters...

Plus, he invented the Internet. What’s not to like?

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« Reply #636 on: June 15, 2018, 09:20:40 AM »

Just trying to be helpful. But I'd better stop meddling in foreign affairs, this hasn't been a good week for Canadians.

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« Reply #637 on: June 15, 2018, 10:18:06 AM »

Plus, he invented the Internet. What’s not to like?

No smileys, so I have to assume that you are serious:
https://www.vox.com/cards/the-internet/did-al-gore-invent-the-internet

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« Reply #638 on: June 15, 2018, 11:20:42 AM »

But of course, that and his prediction that the North Pole will might completely melt in 2014 will surely make me vote for him in 2020.

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« Reply #639 on: June 15, 2018, 11:55:22 AM »

But of course, that and his prediction that the North Pole will might completely melt in 2014 will surely make me vote for him in 2020.
Where did he state they either will or might completely melt in 2014?



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