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Re: Microplastics in Arctic Ocean
« Reply #100 on: April 26, 2018, 12:50:16 pm »

Slobodan, your concern is appreciated, but I assure you I'm perfectly fine. It's a lovely day here in Bellingham and apart from my recalcitrant toaster which refuses to toast when there are too many crumbs in  it,  I am quite relaxed.
Maybe he'll suggest you pop that toaster into the dishwasher  ;D
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Re: Microplastics in Arctic Ocean
« Reply #101 on: April 26, 2018, 01:00:08 pm »

... What's kind of annoying about building 'green' is how much more one has to spend for products with recycled content. But it was all worthwhile.

Humblebragging much, Andrew?

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« Reply #102 on: April 26, 2018, 01:05:43 pm »

What caused the need for disposable products in the first place? The Left. You wanted women "out of kitchen" and now we have floating plastic islands in the ocean.

Oh, please.  Show us attribution that "we" wanted women out of the kitchen, resulting in disposable items.
 
Lame, Slobodan. You're gonna have to do better than this if you want to keep up your reputation for thought provoking arguments.
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Re: Microplastics in Arctic Ocean
« Reply #103 on: April 26, 2018, 01:08:27 pm »

... desire to make everything a political argument, even after stating he isn't going to...

This is the second time you quoted me out of context. I clearly stated what my "no sarcasm, politics, or anything else intended" was referring to. To one question I asked. I never said I'd never again, god forbid, use sarcasm or discuss politics.

But seems I need to illustrate it for you:

 

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« Reply #104 on: April 26, 2018, 01:11:18 pm »

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You don't want plastic bags - Amazon (the forest) suffers.

The Amazon suffers not from logging to make paper bags, it suffers from clear cutting to enable beef production.  Hamburgers.  Read "Fast Food Nation".

Besides, and fortunately, trees grow back.  I live in British Columbia.  While our past forest practices were short sighted in the extreme, there are currently many areas growing their third crop of harvestable timber.
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Re: Microplastics in Arctic Ocean
« Reply #105 on: April 26, 2018, 01:12:53 pm »

This is the second time you quoted me out of context. I clearly stated what my "no sarcasm, politics, or anything else intended" was referring to. To one question I asked. I never said I'd never again, god forbid, use sarcasm or discuss politics.

But seems I need to illustrate it for you:
Ah, just a leading question, an excuse to draw us into yet another silly political discussion that is utterly off topic. It's somewhat comforting to see how few are again taking you and this tactic seriously.
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Re: Microplastics in Arctic Ocean
« Reply #106 on: April 26, 2018, 01:13:00 pm »

Oh, please.  Show us attribution that "we" wanted women out of the kitchen, resulting in disposable items.
 
Lame, Slobodan. You're gonna have to do better than this if you want to keep up your reputation for thought provoking arguments.

Thanks for the compliment.

What exactly you want me to elaborate? That the Left wanted women out of the kitchen, or that "women out of the kitchen" are causing disposable items?

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« Reply #107 on: April 26, 2018, 01:17:41 pm »

No need to elaborate on rubbish. Better, recycle, reuse, reduce: THINK! (before posting). Now we're back on topic.
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Re: Microplastics in Arctic Ocean
« Reply #108 on: April 26, 2018, 01:19:28 pm »

Slobodan is referring to me, andrew. I was mean to him once and he's going to keep sniping forever on account of that.

Slobodan, your concern is appreciated, but I assure you I'm perfectly fine....

Glad to hear you are fine. I was really concerned that you were already hyperventilating while penning that scathing response to Russ ;)

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Re: Microplastics in Arctic Ocean
« Reply #109 on: April 26, 2018, 01:20:00 pm »

You're gonna have to do better than this if you want to keep up your reputation for thought provoking arguments.
What reputation?  :o

Humblebragging much, Andrew?
I put my money where my mouth is; try it someday!
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« Reply #110 on: April 26, 2018, 01:24:16 pm »

Amen to that.

"Capitalism is an economic system based upon private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit."

Just wondering if you prefer the mobsters taking over ..., for example as in Naples:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naples_waste_management_issue

It was all about private ownership, total control over the collection and waste disposal production means, and obviously operated for profit (and then still illegally dumped) ... Sounds a lot like capitalism, doesn't it.

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« Reply #111 on: April 26, 2018, 04:57:04 pm »

What exactly you want me to elaborate? That the Left wanted women out of the kitchen, or that "women out of the kitchen" are causing disposable items?

Not elaborate, prove. Both. Prove that it was the "Left" that created the plastic waste problem, as you stated.
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« Reply #112 on: April 26, 2018, 06:34:49 pm »

Not elaborate, prove. Both. Prove that it was the "Left" that created the plastic waste problem, as you stated.
Don't hold your breath. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"-Carl Sagan
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Re: Microplastics in Arctic Ocean
« Reply #113 on: April 26, 2018, 06:53:11 pm »

I think it follows, then, that bizarre claims require bizarre evidence.
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« Reply #114 on: April 26, 2018, 07:19:33 pm »

I think it follows, then, that bizarre claims require bizarre evidence.
Let's see if we get either from you know who.  :o
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Re: Microplastics in Arctic Ocean
« Reply #115 on: April 26, 2018, 07:30:38 pm »

Capitalism is simply more efficient than other systems in responding to human needs.
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Re: Microplastics in Arctic Ocean
« Reply #116 on: April 26, 2018, 08:09:58 pm »

Can't we send boats with fishing nets to collect the floating garbage? This is a serious question, no sarcasm, politics or anything else intended.

Hi Slobodan,

"Instead of going after the plastic, we let the plastic come to us, saving time, energy, and cost", those are the words of Boyan Slat, a Dutch student who came up with some brilliant ideas several years ago (around 2013, when he was 17 years of age) , which he is now (I believe now at the age of 23) implementing as the Founder and CEO of "The Ocean Cleanup" initiative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du5d5PUrH0I

This initiative is an excellent example of iterative engineering, which of course first requires to even consider the issue at hand being an issue worth resolving. Denial, in case Russ is still reading, is never ever a constructive attitude.

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« Reply #117 on: April 26, 2018, 09:50:00 pm »

Stir sticks are not essential, here is my simple and constructive method to keep the world clean.
I drink my coffee black, and eliminate not only the plastic, but also any milk and sugar. Triple benefit.
And when it comes to other liquids, I stick to wine, water and beer. No sticks or straws necessary.
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Re: Microplastics in Arctic Ocean
« Reply #118 on: April 26, 2018, 09:57:01 pm »

Stir sticks are not essential, here is my simple and constructive method to keep the world clean.
I drink my coffee black, and eliminate not only the plastic, but also any milk and sugar. Triple benefit.
And when it comes to other liquids, I stick to wine, water and beer. No sticks or straws necessary.
I just use a spoon and then wash it.  ;D
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« Reply #119 on: April 27, 2018, 11:53:47 am »

Bottom line: If not using plastic makes you feel better about yourself then by all means eschew plastic. But reports from the usual suspects that the sky is falling; the sky is falling, don't convince me that the sky is going to come crashing down.

The irony is that in Florida you'll get fined $100 (significantly more in Oregon) for throwing a banana peel on a grassy highway median (where it will decompose in a few days and enrich the soil), but thousands of water bottles, plastic bags, straws, cigarette butts, and other litter get through runoff and storm drains into the rivers and eventually into the oceans where they will remain for hundreds of years.
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